Professor David Farrier

And more often than not, it's what do you think of us?

Yeah.

We don't need, yeah.

The key message is already there is that damage is being done.

and that we are part of the web, but we're not living like that.

Yeah, well, so yeah, the book ends with a chapter about the possibilities that synthetic biology might offer us and gene editing in conservation.

It begins with domestication.

It begins with our earliest interventions in

the bodies and behaviours of other species.

And in fact, you know, it actually begins with the fact that in the first species we domesticated with ourselves.

And then dogs.

And then dogs, yeah.

But domestication is really just, you know, it's selecting for tameness, the ability to live alongside one another.

And it's thought that we did that to ourselves before we, you know, in a kind of commensal way, right before, right at the beginnings of the emergence of modern humans.

avoided other species.

So it begins there.

And I thought I really need to end with that sense of what might our next intentional intervention in evolution look like?

Because it is a serious question.

You know, we are facing the loss of tropical corals in one of the first

You know, really big kind of catastrophic losses, I think, that we're facing.