Professor David Farrier

People don't tend to think of insulation as very interesting, but they tried loads of different ways of insulating this space using materials, they used bicycle inner tubes, duvets, old DVDs.

No, well, that's the point.

Yes, exactly, because they're not as effective as a natural sheep's wool, for example.

And so it's a really good teaching tool for what can be done, but how much better it would be if we, as you said, thought in circular terms at the design stage, you know, 80% of environmental impacts are built in to anything we design at the design stage.

And the, yeah, the Wicardo playground in Rotterdam is, again, it's another great illustration of this.

It's,

It's a wonderful space.

You know, these winter turbine blades, they're extraordinarily difficult to do anything with once they've been made.

And yet this playground is this wonderful space of play.

You know, children are, you know, imagine the kind of imaginative

journeys they're going on when they're inhabiting it.

It looks like something that was made out of wind turbines.

There's no effort to discard this, disguise this, I should say.

But it is beautiful.

It does look funner.

Yeah, Westhouse has a beauty of its own, but it's the beauty in the idea, I think.

So the company that made the Wiccardo playground is a design studio in the Netherlands called Superuse Studios.

And our commitment is to a kind of regenerative design, a circular design.

they were commissioned to build a new school in the Netherlands.

And instead of just knocking the old one down and building a new one with new materials, they inventoried the old building.