Professor David Nutt

He said, okay, that seems sensible.

It's still a nightmare.

It's still a nightmare.

It's got worst.

Theresa May, I think, was angry that we started doing this research, and then she brought in an extra level of regulation.

But let me just tell you, before I get on to her, let me tell you the beginning.

So in 2012, to study psilocybin,

We had to write a grant.

We got a grant from the Medical Research Council in Britain.

You know, it's a pioneer, a lot of medical studies.

And I was surprised.

You know, it's, I think this is quite radical, you know, illegal, right?

And why did we get it?

We got it because they made a special call

for helping people who depression was not responding to conventional treatments.

So we said, well, we think based on brains, science, and also based on what some of the healthy volunteers have told us, psilocybin will improve mood.

So we got the grant.

It was a three-year grant.

It took a year to get ethics approval.

The ethics committee said, well, it's far too dangerous to kill psilocybin to depress people.