Professor Edith Hall

So the origins of these two different races ultimately help to explain why one survives and the other doesn't. One is simply more divine and less morally corrupt.

Yes, the ruination of Athens as imperial power was a result of the Peloponnesian War. The Peloponnesian War was a very, very long war. It went on from 431 BC to 405-404. And after it, which is when Plato's actually writing... The Athenian Empire, which was run by its navy, never really got to be as important again.

Yes, the ruination of Athens as imperial power was a result of the Peloponnesian War. The Peloponnesian War was a very, very long war. It went on from 431 BC to 405-404. And after it, which is when Plato's actually writing... The Athenian Empire, which was run by its navy, never really got to be as important again.

Yes, the ruination of Athens as imperial power was a result of the Peloponnesian War. The Peloponnesian War was a very, very long war. It went on from 431 BC to 405-404. And after it, which is when Plato's actually writing... The Athenian Empire, which was run by its navy, never really got to be as important again.

So what he's doing is sort of blaming the decadence of his city on the supremacy given to the navy. Because most importantly, the navy in Athens was centered in Piraeus, still is. And Aristotle tells us that by far the most radical democrats weren't Piraeus. They were poor, free men who had to earn their living by rowing, both in the military, the naval force, and in the merchant navy.

So what he's doing is sort of blaming the decadence of his city on the supremacy given to the navy. Because most importantly, the navy in Athens was centered in Piraeus, still is. And Aristotle tells us that by far the most radical democrats weren't Piraeus. They were poor, free men who had to earn their living by rowing, both in the military, the naval force, and in the merchant navy.

So what he's doing is sort of blaming the decadence of his city on the supremacy given to the navy. Because most importantly, the navy in Athens was centered in Piraeus, still is. And Aristotle tells us that by far the most radical democrats weren't Piraeus. They were poor, free men who had to earn their living by rowing, both in the military, the naval force, and in the merchant navy.

They had to go around all the islands, rowing around all the islands to collect the tribute and put people down when they rebelled against the Athenian empire. Plato very particularly identifies the naval element in Athenian imperialism as a the cause of its downfall. In the entire Republic, when he's building Calipolis, Calipolis has no navy. It's not to be given a navy. It must not have a navy.

They had to go around all the islands, rowing around all the islands to collect the tribute and put people down when they rebelled against the Athenian empire. Plato very particularly identifies the naval element in Athenian imperialism as a the cause of its downfall. In the entire Republic, when he's building Calipolis, Calipolis has no navy. It's not to be given a navy. It must not have a navy.

They had to go around all the islands, rowing around all the islands to collect the tribute and put people down when they rebelled against the Athenian empire. Plato very particularly identifies the naval element in Athenian imperialism as a the cause of its downfall. In the entire Republic, when he's building Calipolis, Calipolis has no navy. It's not to be given a navy. It must not have a navy.

There's only one discussion of the navy in the entire Republic, and that is the analogy of the ship of Thor's, which is where the democratic sailors of Daedra mutiny against, you know, the wise captain. That's the only example under another platonic text, which is even later, the laws, where some old sages actually plan a real city, slightly different.

There's only one discussion of the navy in the entire Republic, and that is the analogy of the ship of Thor's, which is where the democratic sailors of Daedra mutiny against, you know, the wise captain. That's the only example under another platonic text, which is even later, the laws, where some old sages actually plan a real city, slightly different.

There's only one discussion of the navy in the entire Republic, and that is the analogy of the ship of Thor's, which is where the democratic sailors of Daedra mutiny against, you know, the wise captain. That's the only example under another platonic text, which is even later, the laws, where some old sages actually plan a real city, slightly different.

They draw up the constitution for a proposed new city in Crete. It is to be set more than 25 miles inland to ensure it will never, ever have a navy. So we've actually got, I think, a real anti-navy obsession there.

They draw up the constitution for a proposed new city in Crete. It is to be set more than 25 miles inland to ensure it will never, ever have a navy. So we've actually got, I think, a real anti-navy obsession there.

They draw up the constitution for a proposed new city in Crete. It is to be set more than 25 miles inland to ensure it will never, ever have a navy. So we've actually got, I think, a real anti-navy obsession there.

The other association, the Piraeus, is where the tyrants who took over Athens in 404, some Athenian tyrants at the end of the war, took it over and for a while managed to completely subvert the democracy. They installed a very different political regime. When they were finally killed by the rebellious Democrats, it was in Piraeus. So there's lots and lots of layers of this.

The other association, the Piraeus, is where the tyrants who took over Athens in 404, some Athenian tyrants at the end of the war, took it over and for a while managed to completely subvert the democracy. They installed a very different political regime. When they were finally killed by the rebellious Democrats, it was in Piraeus. So there's lots and lots of layers of this.

The other association, the Piraeus, is where the tyrants who took over Athens in 404, some Athenian tyrants at the end of the war, took it over and for a while managed to completely subvert the democracy. They installed a very different political regime. When they were finally killed by the rebellious Democrats, it was in Piraeus. So there's lots and lots of layers of this.

He absolutely hated, and here's a word for your audience, thalasocracy. The Greek for sea is thalassa, and a thalasocracy is an empire that asserts its rule through sea power. And Thucydides tells us that the very first thalasocracy was actually Minos' in Crete. That's the society that got wiped out by cataclysm. And the thalasocracy of the Atlanteans gets wiped out