Professor Jim Mann

It is poisoning us.

But funnily enough, I can remember that study very clearly.

Oh, really?

Because of the way it turned out.

We said, look, we want you to replace, give up X amount of sugar and replace that with starch to see the effect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we had a dietician, excellent dietician, who worked with these people on a regular basis.

And highly motivated people.

And they said, yeah, we'll do everything you say.

You've actually got to do it in a controlled environment where you actually give people all their meals and you virtually lock them up to make sure that they are actually not going to change their calorie intake.

Most unethical by modern standards, where they gave people who lived in mental institutions, they gave them, I think, those sort of toffee kind of things to chew and other sweet things, showed that those people in the mental institution who were given these disgusting sugary sweet things, they got terrible dental caries.

Can you have a cupcake?

Sure, you can have a cupcake.

But if you have a cupcake, then don't have something else.

I mean, I had this morning with my coffee—

I had some cheesecake because there's a certain bakery in this town that makes very good cheesecake.

And my daughter happened to produce some cheesecake from this bakery.

And I absolutely enjoyed it.

But I mean, I've made a mental note before we had this conversation without even thinking, well, that's my dose for the day.

And I enjoyed it.