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Professor Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones

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The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

So what we're told is they initially sent an army up north to Tempe, which is a pass in the shadow of Mount Olympus, north of Thessaly. But then they hear, and this is a story, so we don't actually know if this all happened or if it's just sort of Herodotus foreshadowing what's going to happen.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

So what we're told is they initially sent an army up north to Tempe, which is a pass in the shadow of Mount Olympus, north of Thessaly. But then they hear, and this is a story, so we don't actually know if this all happened or if it's just sort of Herodotus foreshadowing what's going to happen.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

So what we're told is they initially sent an army up north to Tempe, which is a pass in the shadow of Mount Olympus, north of Thessaly. But then they hear, and this is a story, so we don't actually know if this all happened or if it's just sort of Herodotus foreshadowing what's going to happen.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

They're told that they're going to defend a pass against the army of Xerxes, but they're told there's a way around it. And so they abandon the position. And so they retreat and they think about what they should do next. There is an obvious geographical point where historically you stop an army moving south into Greece.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

They're told that they're going to defend a pass against the army of Xerxes, but they're told there's a way around it. And so they abandon the position. And so they retreat and they think about what they should do next. There is an obvious geographical point where historically you stop an army moving south into Greece.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

They're told that they're going to defend a pass against the army of Xerxes, but they're told there's a way around it. And so they abandon the position. And so they retreat and they think about what they should do next. There is an obvious geographical point where historically you stop an army moving south into Greece.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

That point is Thermopylae and it continues to be, I mean, it is important here and it continues to be important right down into the Second World War. The last battle of Thermopylae that we know of is 1941. This is a continuous thing throughout history that if you want to stop that army marching into central Greece, Thermopylae, a narrow strip of land along the coast, is where you do it.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

That point is Thermopylae and it continues to be, I mean, it is important here and it continues to be important right down into the Second World War. The last battle of Thermopylae that we know of is 1941. This is a continuous thing throughout history that if you want to stop that army marching into central Greece, Thermopylae, a narrow strip of land along the coast, is where you do it.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

That point is Thermopylae and it continues to be, I mean, it is important here and it continues to be important right down into the Second World War. The last battle of Thermopylae that we know of is 1941. This is a continuous thing throughout history that if you want to stop that army marching into central Greece, Thermopylae, a narrow strip of land along the coast, is where you do it.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

It's your last hope, isn't it, really? Yeah, exactly. So at that point, you're on the threshold of Boeotia. So you're really going into like the area of Greece that most urbanized, most highly developed, where all of the famous states essentially are. If Thermopylae falls, central Greece falls, there's no other position where you can hold an army. So that is where you send your force.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

It's your last hope, isn't it, really? Yeah, exactly. So at that point, you're on the threshold of Boeotia. So you're really going into like the area of Greece that most urbanized, most highly developed, where all of the famous states essentially are. If Thermopylae falls, central Greece falls, there's no other position where you can hold an army. So that is where you send your force.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

It's your last hope, isn't it, really? Yeah, exactly. So at that point, you're on the threshold of Boeotia. So you're really going into like the area of Greece that most urbanized, most highly developed, where all of the famous states essentially are. If Thermopylae falls, central Greece falls, there's no other position where you can hold an army. So that is where you send your force.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

And helpfully, the sea alongside Thermopylae, there's a sort of inlet between the mainland and the island of Euboea, which is also quite narrow and also for a fleet quite defensible. So what the Greeks agreed to do is send an army to Thermopylae and send a fleet to Artemision, which is where this sort of dual defense on land and sea is supposed to take place.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

And helpfully, the sea alongside Thermopylae, there's a sort of inlet between the mainland and the island of Euboea, which is also quite narrow and also for a fleet quite defensible. So what the Greeks agreed to do is send an army to Thermopylae and send a fleet to Artemision, which is where this sort of dual defense on land and sea is supposed to take place.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

And helpfully, the sea alongside Thermopylae, there's a sort of inlet between the mainland and the island of Euboea, which is also quite narrow and also for a fleet quite defensible. So what the Greeks agreed to do is send an army to Thermopylae and send a fleet to Artemision, which is where this sort of dual defense on land and sea is supposed to take place.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

But the army that they send to Thermopylae is, compared to the later army that they would send out in the following year to Plataea, it's tiny. It's very, very small. There's a small force of Spartans, a thousand strong, and then similarly sized contingents of the Spartan allies. So they're really, really quite small forces, maybe about a tenth of their available strength.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

But the army that they send to Thermopylae is, compared to the later army that they would send out in the following year to Plataea, it's tiny. It's very, very small. There's a small force of Spartans, a thousand strong, and then similarly sized contingents of the Spartan allies. So they're really, really quite small forces, maybe about a tenth of their available strength.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

But the army that they send to Thermopylae is, compared to the later army that they would send out in the following year to Plataea, it's tiny. It's very, very small. There's a small force of Spartans, a thousand strong, and then similarly sized contingents of the Spartan allies. So they're really, really quite small forces, maybe about a tenth of their available strength.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

Maybe as much as a third in some cases, but they're very, very small pieces of their levies. There's always been a question of why did they send so few troops? Why are these armies so small? The traditional argument has been, and is already there in Herodotus, that this is because the Spartans expected to lose, and they knew it was a suicide mission, and so they'd only send a small force.

The Ancients
The Persian Wars: Xerxes, Thermopylae and Salamis

Maybe as much as a third in some cases, but they're very, very small pieces of their levies. There's always been a question of why did they send so few troops? Why are these armies so small? The traditional argument has been, and is already there in Herodotus, that this is because the Spartans expected to lose, and they knew it was a suicide mission, and so they'd only send a small force.