Professor Lloyd Llewellyn-Jones

But he still has to trick the Persians into accepting that fight. So he draws them into this narrow strait where the superior seamanship of the Phoenicians in the Persian fleet isn't going to come to their advantage.

But he still has to trick the Persians into accepting that fight. So he draws them into this narrow strait where the superior seamanship of the Phoenicians in the Persian fleet isn't going to come to their advantage.

That's right. So they may or may not have invented the trireme. It's a little bit obscure, but the Greeks wouldn't believe that if they didn't credit the Corinthians. So you have this fleet being drawn into the narrows, and then it just becomes a really sort of messy bun fight.

That's right. So they may or may not have invented the trireme. It's a little bit obscure, but the Greeks wouldn't believe that if they didn't credit the Corinthians. So you have this fleet being drawn into the narrows, and then it just becomes a really sort of messy bun fight.

That's right. So they may or may not have invented the trireme. It's a little bit obscure, but the Greeks wouldn't believe that if they didn't credit the Corinthians. So you have this fleet being drawn into the narrows, and then it just becomes a really sort of messy bun fight.

Essentially, because there's no room to maneuver, you're really just going at whatever you can target, whatever you can see. And it's very messy, but the Greeks managed to, or the Greek allies, I should stress here, because many of the ships in the Persian fleet were Greek.

Essentially, because there's no room to maneuver, you're really just going at whatever you can target, whatever you can see. And it's very messy, but the Greeks managed to, or the Greek allies, I should stress here, because many of the ships in the Persian fleet were Greek.

Essentially, because there's no room to maneuver, you're really just going at whatever you can target, whatever you can see. And it's very messy, but the Greeks managed to, or the Greek allies, I should stress here, because many of the ships in the Persian fleet were Greek.

They were the Greeks of Asia Minor, the Greeks of Western Turkey, who had been subjected and forced to commit to naval service for the king. So many of the allied Greeks actually managed to prevail over individual ships, and this is how they end up winning this sort of attritional battle in the Straits of Salamis.

They were the Greeks of Asia Minor, the Greeks of Western Turkey, who had been subjected and forced to commit to naval service for the king. So many of the allied Greeks actually managed to prevail over individual ships, and this is how they end up winning this sort of attritional battle in the Straits of Salamis.

They were the Greeks of Asia Minor, the Greeks of Western Turkey, who had been subjected and forced to commit to naval service for the king. So many of the allied Greeks actually managed to prevail over individual ships, and this is how they end up winning this sort of attritional battle in the Straits of Salamis.

Yeah, so the narrative is that one of the commanders of the fleet that Xerxes has drafted from his subjects in Asia Minor is the Queen Artemisia, who is Queen of Halicarnassus, which is actually Herodotus' hometown. And so she leads a small contingent like five ships. I mean, many of these other states have dozens, if not more. And so she has a very small contingent.

Yeah, so the narrative is that one of the commanders of the fleet that Xerxes has drafted from his subjects in Asia Minor is the Queen Artemisia, who is Queen of Halicarnassus, which is actually Herodotus' hometown. And so she leads a small contingent like five ships. I mean, many of these other states have dozens, if not more. And so she has a very small contingent.

Yeah, so the narrative is that one of the commanders of the fleet that Xerxes has drafted from his subjects in Asia Minor is the Queen Artemisia, who is Queen of Halicarnassus, which is actually Herodotus' hometown. And so she leads a small contingent like five ships. I mean, many of these other states have dozens, if not more. And so she has a very small contingent.

But for Herodotus, she is massively interesting because he's interested in exceptions. He's interested in exceptional things. And so when a woman commands a military force, you know, that is something that he wants to talk about. That is something that he's fascinated by. And he's, he's very explicit about this. He doesn't sort of want to give the impression that he's doing so unfairly.

But for Herodotus, she is massively interesting because he's interested in exceptions. He's interested in exceptional things. And so when a woman commands a military force, you know, that is something that he wants to talk about. That is something that he's fascinated by. And he's, he's very explicit about this. He doesn't sort of want to give the impression that he's doing so unfairly.

But for Herodotus, she is massively interesting because he's interested in exceptions. He's interested in exceptional things. And so when a woman commands a military force, you know, that is something that he wants to talk about. That is something that he's fascinated by. And he's, he's very explicit about this. He doesn't sort of want to give the impression that he's doing so unfairly.

It's just like, this is great. You know, look at this, who could have imagined because in the, in the Greek mind, which is very patriarchal, very sort of set in gender roles, this is something that could never happen. You know, women aren't in their, in their view, cut out for that kind of work. They just don't have that in their nature.

It's just like, this is great. You know, look at this, who could have imagined because in the, in the Greek mind, which is very patriarchal, very sort of set in gender roles, this is something that could never happen. You know, women aren't in their, in their view, cut out for that kind of work. They just don't have that in their nature.

It's just like, this is great. You know, look at this, who could have imagined because in the, in the Greek mind, which is very patriarchal, very sort of set in gender roles, this is something that could never happen. You know, women aren't in their, in their view, cut out for that kind of work. They just don't have that in their nature.