Professor Mariana Mazzucato

That's why we think of financial gaps, right?

It's almost like, oh, there's a $7 trillion financial gap for the Sustainable Development Goals, $4 trillion for climate adaptation and mitigation.

It makes it sound like there's a hole to go throw money in, which is literally what happens.

We end up thinking, okay, how much public money will go in?

How much philanthropic money, OD or ODA money goes down?

How will we fill the gap?

So instead of thinking of a gap

Right.

I say that's a corrective mechanism.

Think of what the objectives are and have outcomes oriented budgeting, for example.

One of the examples I give in the middle of the book, which is all about showing this is not utopia.

There are examples of where each one of the five elements are happening.

And I take the whole world to look at the examples.

Obviously, that means we can do it.

This comes to your question.

We can do it.

Why don't we do it?

because we don't take these problems seriously, or we don't have the full compass, so we do parts of it really well, and the people doing it are serious.

But why is it that during both COVID and war, we did things that in normal times we don't?

Because there was no time to waste, right?