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Professor Polly Lowe

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The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

And what's really striking about the casualty list that we have for one of the years of the Egyptian expeditions is that

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

Egypt is just listed alongside multiple other theatres, and it's not differentiated from the wars that the Athenians are fighting against other Greek communities.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

So we have Egypt and other places in the Persian Empire, but then also Greek cities, places like Halleis, which is a Greek community.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

And it's all described as the war.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

So it's like the Athenians are just fighting a big war against Persians, against Greeks.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

It's all one thing.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

And the other striking thing about that list is that it just says these Athenians died.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

So there's no sense that there are any other Greeks involved.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

It's not presented as a Delian League campaign.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

And I think the sense we get from Thucydides as well is that the Athenians have decided to do this.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

campaign.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

We do have a monument created by someone from the island of Samos commemorating their participation in this campaign.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

And again, this is really unusual.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

We have very little evidence of, as I said, from subject communities.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

So we know that there are

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

members of the Delian League fighting.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

It seems like at least one community was happy to commemorate its participation in this campaign, but that's about as far as we can go.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

The Athenians, particularly in the later years of the League, but probably already from the start, aren't super keen on acknowledging the fact that they're having help from other Greeks when they're fighting their campaigns.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

Because then the payoff is that they get all the credit if it was just them.

The Ancients
The Delian League: Ancient NATO?

So there's a speech that Thucydides attributes to the politician Pericles towards the start of the Peloponnesian War, explicitly saying the allies don't do anything.