Professor Rose Anne Kenny

You know, it's how you are internally that matters.

Very, very few people can be alone all of the time and not need someone because we haven't evolved like that.

We've evolved to be part of a tribe and to have a function in the tribe, which is why I come on to purpose in all of that because purpose is very closely bound with social engagement.

Yes.

The purpose is really important for some people that will come from their work.

It will come from their family.

But I'm just sensing, listening to you, there must be a real danger time around retirement here.

Yeah.

So retirement can go one of two ways.

For some people, it's an absolute godsend.

They're very happy.

They have a happy retirement, a good retirement.

For others, you've completely taken the rug out of their lives because that was their social network.

That was their purpose.

They're the two big things.

And suddenly they no longer have it.

And, you know, I think many countries now are looking at this and saying, well, it doesn't make any sense to retire, as was previously the case at 65, 66, because we know biologically we're getting younger all of the time.

And, you know, it actually probably doesn't make any biological sense.

But it may be that we don't want to be doing the same thing at 65 as we were doing at 25.

Yes, because I'm sure we'll have people listening to this going, I'm absolutely sick of battling the traffic and getting into that office for nine o'clock in the morning.