Quincy Avery
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Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Because everybody's going to go through these things. It's just, what is the next step that is going to allow us to be successful? It's not... about the actual, like, situation you're in. It's about how do we move forward from this difficulty? Like, how do we get better and move the needle so that when people look at us, they're like, hey, that happened, but they fixed it.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
There's so many times that there's things that I can't control. I'll have a coach miss a session. I'll have somebody who drove two hours, right? And they came for a session with one of my coaches, and somebody might have missed or was miscommunicated. And those are situations where I think a lot of people would, like, not communicate or go in the shell. Oh, let me figure it out.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Hey, I'm going to get on the phone with that person. I'm going to hear where they're at. and I'm going to make sure everything's right, right? Whether that means I got to fly out there and lose thousands of dollars and go give this person a one-on-one session, because that's the standard that we want to hold ourselves to.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But when I do those things, then everybody in my organization sees what it means to me when we make a mistake. And they know that, hey, when we make a mistake, somebody's got to pay for it, right? And oftentimes it's going to fall on me, but they know that we can't continue to do those things because eventually I'm going to have to come in and make it right.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And same thing with the quarterback, right? That's what we do. We make things right. When everything is awry, we come through and fix the situation.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Yeah, and it wasn't even, I don't think that, well, we had started actually shooting this documentary maybe four years ago. And you'll see some clips from some of the things in there, but just didn't get picked up. A lot of things were going on at the time. Didn't go the way that we wanted it to. They circled back two and a half years ago, like, hey, I think that we can do it now.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I thought that it was important. It's cool to see so many of the young black quarterbacks I've had an opportunity to work with really thriving and be able to show that. But the things that I also want to show is
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
how we've been able to change a culture because these quarterbacks, yes, they're the quarterback of the football teams, but they're shaping their high schools, they're shaping their colleges. And then the professional quarterbacks, they shape their cities. There's no one more influential to me in a city than their star quarterback. These people have the opportunity to give back to the community,
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
put back in the organization and change. They can really change the world. And I hope that people see that the work we're doing isn't just about on the football field. It's about building better young men who respond when life gets tough because that's what they see. That's what they see me doing on a day-to-day basis. Not only do I respond to adversity, but I feel like I'm a good person.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I'm a good father and they get to see these things each and every day.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I'm amazing. I really appreciate you having me on. So I'm excited to get to have a conversation.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
You know, it's crazy. It's going to sound wild. More so than who the person is, a football player, more so than how talented they are. Those things don't matter. First things I want to do is have a conversation with the parents. Because the parents have been, it's been the biggest determining factor in the kids who I see are successful and the kids who I see aren't.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And it's not really what we think. A lot of times people think, It's the parents who are like there all the time. They do everything for their kids. Those are the people who become the best sports parents. Those are actually the worst because those are the people who remove all adversity. from the kid's life. They don't let them go through things. They don't let them struggle.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
They don't let them build that muscle, right? And it's a muscle, right? You gotta work it. You gotta flex it. You gotta be able to see yourself in a difficult situation and see you make it out on the other side. Then you gotta see how you can learn from these situations. And then you get to control them a little bit better and act.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
You get to act in a way that you're more proud of the next time you go through a difficult situation. But they don't get these opportunities. They don't get the time to work on these things when they're in seventh, eighth grade. They don't have a difficult conversation with their high school coach. They don't have a difficult conversation with the teacher when they're failing a class.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
They miss out on all these pivotal life opportunities because our parents think that they need to be the ones to step in our place and fix it for us. Those are the people who I really don't want my program. And that sounds crazy to say, but that is who I try to keep out. And that's what I try to keep away because I don't know anybody else.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Yeah, it is. It's crazy to see, and I've seen a lot of different families come through our system, and I've seen some of the most talented kids not make it because their parents, honestly. That's just the root of it. Their parents made things so easy on them all throughout life that college got a little bit hard, and they couldn't handle it.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It all depends on where they are, where they are in their career, what they have going on. And what I mean by that, if they're in high school, I'll be a lot more in depth in terms of their reads, their fundamentals, the way that they're throwing the football, all those things.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
When they're in the NFL, I briefly touch on reads because the things that they're doing are so intricate and so much is communicated to them. in their board sessions with their coaching staff, but the thing that I'm talking about with them is a much higher level of detail in their fundamentals. The smallest things matter the most to guys at that level because the margin for error is so small.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
There's a lot of areas of football, high school, college, middle school, that you can make a mistake once, but come back to it because we'll be able to get it again. When you're playing at the highest level, when you're playing against professionals, you don't get a second chance. It's either we made it work when it came up or we didn't, and we don't get to go back and do it again.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
So making sure that they're prepared in that moment for that play, that could allow them to change the game because it's not going to happen again.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
You know, I'm such a big fan of these young men getting paid and being able to provide for their families. Now it makes me nervous. in terms of being able to manage this amount of money at 18, 19, 20 years old. Because I see some of these guys, and I see them making poor financial decisions. The things that they're using their money for is alarming, concerning, and it'll be fleeting.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It'll be really cool to have this amount of money for a few years, but I know it's not going to be there in the future. So we're giving these guys a whole bunch of money. And they're just going to waste it. Like, this should be a trampoline into having a successful life. And now it's just becoming a money pit to expensive things.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I just hope that there's some way that we can figure out how to help these young men so that they can make better financial decisions. I love that they can help out their families, but I hate... I hate that we just become the biggest consumers in the world with money that's only here very short term.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Business is business. Right. I want to get what I'm worth. Right. And that's what we're paying everybody else. That's what I should get.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I've never even heard that caution phrase that way. They're because instead of the why. So that's interesting. You know, I've been in some really difficult situations throughout my life, whether it be home, family situations, sports, or trying to figure out how to get started in a profession and then trying to forge a career in essentially a new industry.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
That's just me. You know, I agree. I hate that guys don't want to compete, and that's frustrating to me. because that's where we learn about. I think that, but there's also a lot of times where college coaches are pushing kids out that we don't talk about a lot, but it's really simple to fix. And it's just contracts, right?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
If we create real contracts with real buyouts and a lot of these things become very easily easy to fix. The problem is the NCAA doesn't want to consider these young men as employees, which they are. They're employees of the institution who happen to go to school and
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And that's where, until we get a collective bargaining agreement, we are going to have issues because guys are going to continue to leave for more money. They're going to ask for more money after they've already agreed to a certain amount because they find out somebody else is getting more.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But when the school doesn't have to honor the contract and you don't have to honor the contract, that is a game that we all play. If schools were always honest with the young men, I would feel a lot better.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
lot worse about like the things that they're doing but i know schools lie in the same way that these kids are manipulating uh in order to get more money so it's a bad situation altogether there really needs to be real change that can allow it to be a better situation not only for this the young men but for the schools too right it's so so difficult to operate not knowing who's going to be on your team each and every year yeah yeah you know quincy this is something i've been
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It's fun to see all these young men just getting opportunities, right? And it's never that we weren't talented enough. It was that at each step of the way, there'd be somebody who'd be like a little roadblock who'd get in our way. Hey, how about you switch positions or how about you do this or do that?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And they finally allowed us to be ourselves, to be authentically ourselves at the quarterback position in terms of the way that we play the game. I hope that they continue to not only let us do that, but be ourselves authentically off the field and be who we are and express ourselves in the way we want to express.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And we could live a life that we hope to live and like of the culture that we grew up in. But it feels, I'm truly thankful that I get an opportunity with so many quarterbacks who look like me, because I wish that there was a me for me growing up.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I hope that I can be that not only for these, I was never talented enough to play in the NFL like these guys, but I hope that I can be there for not only the guys in the NFL, but a bunch of college guys growing up underneath them so that they know that there's going to be somewhere in there for them to, uh, take to the next level. I used to do a, uh,
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Um, but I've always done it with a few things in mind and really it is, uh, taking care of those around me because that has been so important. Right. And being able to be there in moments when I feel like they need me, because oftentimes I feel like there's many opportunities for like other people to be there for me that they just weren't.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Black Quarterback Club, where I brought together a bunch of black NFL quarterbacks, college and high school quarterbacks. And that's something I haven't been able to do the last few years just because life's been lifin'. But it's something I hope to be able to do again because I think that it's important.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I think that people need to be able to be in a room with other black quarterbacks because there's experiences that we're all going through, right, that are difficult. But you need to know that you're supported. And there's a bunch of other guys out there who are going through a lot of things that you're going through, but we're gonna push through it together. And that's what I hope that I can do.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I hope I can instill a whole bunch of confidence in a whole bunch of young men. And even if they're not professional quarterbacks, they're gonna be professional in something. And they're gonna know they're gonna be built for it.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
The things that I really want people to get from this is to know that no matter what situation or what it may look like, your destination is your destination. And as long as you continue on your road, you might have to switch lanes. You might got to catch a detour. You might got to make a left, even though it looks like the road is straight.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But you have to continue on to your destination and understand that the map is not the terrain. It is easy to look at a map and know exactly where you want to go. It is much difficult when you're actually on the road to getting those things. And be okay with that. Understand it's not always going to look pretty. There's elevation changes.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
There's a whole bunch of things that you may not have expected. But you are going to get there. Or you're going to get something positive out of the situation if you're all into doing the thing that you said you're going to do. And that's really what I want people to do. Because it might change. The thing that I thought I wanted down there might be different when I get there.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But as long as you work as hard as you could to get it, you're going to be thankful for yourself forever. And that's what I want people to understand. You look at yourself differently in the morning when you did everything you could to get something. Like you really genuinely did that. I think a lot of times people are saying like, I worked really hard.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I was talking to my nephew about this today. I'm like, you keep telling me you want to go division one in basketball. When I call you and ask you, did you put in the work today? The answer is no. Stop telling me that, right? You can't tell me that no more.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It's the ability to respond to adversity. That is it. You can't be great without that.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I knew that, um, not only can I have an impact in training young men and helping them achieve their goals, which is amazing. But there's so many young men who we won't see in this documentary or people won't talk about who aren't in the NFL. Maybe not even college, maybe just played in high school. But those are young men that I still have relationships with to this day.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I'm going to say a name that no one's going to have ever heard of.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
His name is Austin Smith. He's at Austin Peay right now. And the reason I say that is because I'm always very honest with parents and players. And I told his dad in seventh grade, I don't know if this is for him. He's struggling to pick up these concepts. I don't know if this is for him. I don't know if he's going to be able to do it. His dad said, okay, let's figure it out.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And he must have told his son. And his ability to respond. A lot of times people could hear that and they would just fold. Oh, this person doesn't believe in me. But I saw him turn it up a notch. And he went on to get a college scholarship. He's been a starter. He's going to have an opportunity to go to the NFL next year. He just worked. And he worked. He heard bad news and he didn't.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
get, like, soft. No, he said, I'm going to work harder. Oh, he doesn't know if I can do it, but watch me show him that. Like, that? Yeah. That's not just someone who's going to be a good quarterback. That's going to be somebody who's going to be a good father, who's going to be a good husband, who's going to be good for the community. He just does things the right way.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And that, to me, is why he's one of my most rewarding players to coach.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I would want to say basketball because that's my favorite sport, but I was probably better at baseball than I was at any other sport. I just got too bored. So I would have just been a baseball player.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Man, I mean, I hope that I was able to impart a little bit of wisdom, but a little bit of faith that you can push through and persevere. Far more than you think you can. And oftentimes it is your mind telling you that you can't. All you got to do is put your head down and get to work. But I would ask the friends of yours, just take a peek at the Avery Effect Foundation.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It's for a lot of young men who are trying to reach goals and do more with their life. And we are trying to put resources into them so that they can do it, whether it's in football, basketball, whatever the situation is. But we're trying to do as much as we can to help these young men out. So take a peek at that if you have the opportunity.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
That would be helpful not only to me, but I think that you would be responsible for helping change some young man's life.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Yep. You can go to Avery Effect or you can go to QBTakeover.com and just hit the link for the Avery Effect Foundation. You'll be able to jump right on it.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
You know, I can help out and they can call on me when they need anything. I'm here to support them and care about them in a way that I truly feel is unique and authentic.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Man, you the man. I really appreciate that.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Yeah, I think I agree with you so much. We live in like an instant gratification society where people expect to have the fruits of their labor immediately. But the journey that I went on was crazy. In order to get here, I've had a thousand nights of homelessness, right? Where I was unhoused.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
The same way that I run the business side of our stuff, I'm a quarterback there, right? I'm playing quarterback. I got to put people in the positions to win. I got to help them be successful. I got to give them encouragement when they need it. I got to press buttons. Those are things that we all can do every single day, right?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
whether I was sleeping in the locker room or my car, just trying to figure out where I was going to lay my head. And it was just a grind because the thing that I think separates me from a lot of people is the ability to work hard despite the initial outcome. I heard no when I was trying to start training people so many times and It is crazy.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I just look back, I could go look at my Facebook and just see like, no, unrespond, no. And those are some young men that I probably could have helped out, like do some things if their parents would have responded. Like I knew that I had a purpose and I knew that there was something that I thought that I could do at a very high level.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And when I say that I'm committed to something, I want my actions and my words to be congruent. I want people I want not to only be able to say these things, but I want people to be able to look at the actions that I have and say it for me, right? So I don't need to verbalize everything that I wanna do. I want people to see in my actions who I say I am and the goals that I say that I have.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
You know, I think that I probably suffered. Even though I said that I wanted to be the best, I knew I was working hard towards those things. I probably suffered from imposter syndrome, largely for a while. And it took until... There was Trent Dilfer. There's someone who, like, I really value their opinion. He was really big in the quarterback space.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And when he saw the things that I was doing, he really was like, man, you're doing a great job. Like, I love the way that you're teaching these things. That meant a lot to me. But after that, I still... Wasn't sure. I was like, I think that I'm really good at this. I think that I'm helping these young guys out. And then the next real moment for me was I got the opportunity to train Tyra Taylor.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And it's that ability to work through difficult situations is what allows these top-tier quarterbacks to be the best quarterbacks in the world.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But Tyra Taylor had been in the NFL for nine years. He'd basically seen every quarterback coach who was in the space that I was in. He got to work with all these guys. And I got there with him for like one or two days. And he's like, now I want to hire you. And that meant a lot to me because he was making a decision on like,
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
A lot of the other people that I'd work with, a lot of the people that I work with, it'd only been me, right? They like, this is just what they grew up doing. But Tyrod, like that to me was like, all right, I'm really, I'm doing a great job. Right.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Because if this guy believes in the things that I'm saying, despite me meeting him at this age and I'm able to help him out that much that quickly, then I think that I'm probably better at this than I even, even I thought I was.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I didn't, I think that people. I first thought I was just going to be like self-employed, like just work for myself, be able to do this for a really long time. And that would be cool. And then I just thought about how can I impact more people?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I think that I'm able to help both coaches that I work with, the staff that I work with and the players, like everybody gets to benefit from the ecosystem. And the only way that I could do that was be able to like truly build a business that had procedures, um, And we were able to run, like we have real systems to operate.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I also had to remove myself a bit from the first layer of that business and be, and not just be in the weeds all the time, be 30,000 feet view. I see what we're doing, but I also see where we're trying to go. And I I've been blessed and fortunate to have some great people who work alongside me, who run our operations, who run our day to day, who run our finances.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
A lot of wonderful young women who actually is cool. I love this part about our business. Everybody that you see who's not on the football field, who works with our organization is a woman, primarily women of color who have been able to transform this from really an idea into, into a business where we are able to help so many kids, but it's, that is, that was the hard part. The coaching is easy.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Running a business, oh my gosh. It's always something you run into. You run into a new challenge every single day. And navigating that and understanding people and how you communicate with them and how people need to be loved the right way. They need these words of affirmation because I think people think about those things just in personal, intimate relationships.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
But everybody has a language they want to be loved in. in terms of the business side too. Some people want you to tell them like, man, you're doing a great job. Somebody wants an Instagram post with their face on it, right?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
There's all these different things that some people just want credit or be able to go through the steps with the ideas that you have and you champion them and push them forward. So I'm always thinking about those things and it's been difficult, but it's been fun.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Yeah, it's definitely not talent. I think that everybody who sees you play football at a professional level is talented. That's not the easy part, but that's something that everybody has in common. But it's a mindset, the ability to work through adversity, the ability to persevere when things are not going exactly as you wish or you hoped for. Right.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
And I think that that's more, that's just life, though. Like, quarterback is life, and that's what I want people to understand. I want people... Like when they watch this documentary, they see the things about me. I want them to live their life like a quarterback, right?
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
Because the way that quarterbacks move and the way that they operate, the way that they bring people along, the way that they galvanize a team, the same way that I run the business side of our stuff, I'm a quarterback there, right? I'm playing quarterback. I got to put people in the positions to win. I got to help them be successful. I got to give them encouragement when they need it.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I got to press buttons. Those are things that we all can do every single day. And it's that ability to work through difficult situations is what allows these top-tier quarterbacks to be the best quarterbacks in the world. Because you're going to go through something difficult. You're going to throw an interception. You're going to cost your team a game. But it's not just that moment.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
It's how do you respond. Because that interception you throw in week two, You could learn a lesson then, and you come back and win the Super Bowl because we saw that same defense. Now I knew how to respond. So was that interception in week one or week two? Was that really a loss, or did we win because of that? And that's what I want people to understand.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
There's so many lessons that life is going to provide us, and it's how we respond each and every time that is going to shape us and define who we are as people.
Mick Unplugged
Quincy Avery Breaks Down True Leadership On and Off the Field
I think that the folks on my team would talk about how I respond to adversity in a very positive way. Because as a business owner, it's always going to be something. But I never shake. I never get sad. I never get flustered. It's simply, how are we going to find a solution to the issue that we have at hand? And that's the only thing that matters.
The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Luka’s Homecoming, an NFL Draft QB Breakdown With Quincy Avery, and Cincinnati Basketball GM Corey Evans Joins
You're going to throw an interception, but what is your plays after critical errors? Like what do you do in the next drive after you throw that interception? And that mental makeup that Cam has, I think is truly special.
The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Luka’s Homecoming, an NFL Draft QB Breakdown With Quincy Avery, and Cincinnati Basketball GM Corey Evans Joins
I think that Miami got it out of him as much as they could. If you go back and watch Washington State, that film, that was like, And lackadaisical chill on steroids. So what are we going to be willing to accept? And how successful are you going to be with some of those plays?
The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Luka’s Homecoming, an NFL Draft QB Breakdown With Quincy Avery, and Cincinnati Basketball GM Corey Evans Joins
Because I'm fully confident that's who he's going to be in the NFL because he's never been a guy who's been able to play with a ton of structure. So if we can have success really early on, I think that we'll see him have a really strong career and be a top-tier quarterback. But if he struggles to start out the gate, we're going to have some issues because you are who you are.
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It's in your DNA, right? He wants to play this way. He wants to be off schedule. He wants to let his feet die in the pocket and just flick one out there, rotate his shoulders. There's a discipline to playing the quarterback position that I'm not sure that he has right now. Can he get it? I hope so. I'm not super confident that he'll change a ton in that way.
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I would not only agree with you that that's who Jalen was coming out of college. One read and would often try to take off. He was also like that his rookie year with the Philadelphia Eagles. It was the same thing. I'm not disagreeing there. The thing that Jackson, to me, is much like Mitch Trubisky.
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Mitch Trubisky was really, really accurate when he was throwing to his first read in his progression. He could do that at an elite level, and I think that is what allowed him to get drafted so early. But as his eyes had to work through a progression, work right to left, or first read, second read, and get all the way back to a backside dig, you would never see an accurate pass.
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Lane Kiffin is so good that he doesn't have to do it much like the Ohio state quarterbacks. Like I know people give Ohio state quarterbacks a really difficult time, but it's because Ryan day does such a good job being guys open. Same with lane. That first read is going to be open. He is, it's just incredibly inaccurate, like working through progressions.
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And then the same way I talked about cam in terms of plays after critical error, If we go back to that Florida game, I've never seen a top tier quarterback play worse in a situation where his team needed him after an interception. And he just continued to make the same errors. And that's really concerning for me. So it's like Cam Ward could be a starter.
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I don't see any other starters in this draft.
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Long term. They're just not going to be starting level quarterbacks. I think anything outside of just Kim Ward going in the first round is a massive reach.
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Shador, in terms of physical traits, he doesn't have elite arm. He's not quick. He's not fast. Doesn't have ability to skip it. That's fine. There's been quarterbacks who've been successful who have lacked those traits. When you see Shador get sacked, unless he has a bad offensive line, that's the one thing. When your offensive line is bad and you get sacked, that is an offensive line issue.
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Shador Sanders shows a ball behind the line of scrimmage, at the line of scrimmage more than anybody in college. But his average time to throw is 2.96. That means he's not processing the other information quickly enough at all. You'll see times where there's free rushers.
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As somebody who's watching tape, if I see a free rusher run directly to the quarterback, no one blocks him, that is on the quarterback, right? We need to be throwing hot. We need to have a plan before this. Shador doesn't have plans when... The defense gives him anything that he wasn't expecting, right? We need to be able to play from the neck up. And that is what his biggest strength should be.
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Like he should be the quarterback in the world. I can recognize these things. I see a hot, I'm able to find a four or five yard completion, the ball out of my hand. He's not playing like that. So if you don't have a strong arm, you're not quick, can't evade defenders. And I'm getting free rush hit like crazy. I have a problem. There's an aspect of the game that I don't understand.
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And then I've heard teams, I've heard teams talk about his interviews and his ability to even describe protections, right? Hey, show me a six man protection. And he struggled with those things. So those are really concerning to me. And I know that he goes into the first round because of all the hype and all the things that we said.
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But I think if his last name was Williams, he is a six round quarterback.
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I could care so little about padding of the football. I think probably 85% of the NFL quarterback today, Pat, the football, it's a rhythm thing. It's a sequencing. It allows guys to throw the football better. And I'm not, who should or pat the ball you want, but let's make some decisions a little bit faster. Let's have an idea of what we're doing. We get to learn scrimmage.
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Now, maybe it's something that he just wasn't coached on. And that's hard for me because I don't get to interview the guys. I don't know what they're saying in these meetings about what they were taught, what they should have, should have known going into college. But there's guys that I work with in pre-draft who can kill it on the, at least on the whiteboard. And you see it in the games.
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He's tough as shit. He is a tough dude. And like you talk about, he has a flair for theatrics. You see those games where he really started to do really good things. It's like two minute offense. What does it even start doing a two minute offense? They're not bringing pressure. Like he has time to see things and operate. He can play like that.
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If he doesn't get pressure and the line does a sufficient job, he's okay. But if I know that he has a difficult times with, seeing blitzes and seeing rotation and these guys coming and hitting him in his face mask. That's going to be the, that's going to be the answer in the NFL. But he, he's a winner. Like there's somebody, but okay. What NFL coaching staff wants to draft a guy,
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Cause if you're drafting early, you're not that good. So you don't have that much time left. You know, his father's Deion Sanders, all the scrutiny you're going to get, not just about his play, but his dad's also going to stir some things up. And then I got to worry about Deion trying to take my job. Like there's so many things that make it difficult for me to see.
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Like, I know people say dad being Deion's helpful, but I, I think that it's like the opposite. If I'm New York Giants, If I'm Dayball and I got to put this guy in, that's not a good situation.
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Tyler is a really good, he's a much better athlete than I think that people know. He understands the game at a really high level. And when you watch him in the red zone, and that's where I love to see guys, especially the college level players in the red zone, he's able to make a ton of throws with anticipation.
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You'll see like backline where it's outside receiver running the dig and we see this and he's able to move a defender with his eyes and work back. He's playing the game of quarterback. He's playing the quarterback position. He understands what I need to do in order to set guys up to be successful. He does have the strongest arm. He's athletic enough. He's very accurate.
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And he's played a lot of football. I think that is something that gives guys a tremendous advantage in the amount of steps they got to play. And we see that a lot in this class. But he's gotten continually better. We've seen him improve. I saw him at Texas Tech. I've seen him since he was in high school. Continue to become a better passer and a better quarterback.
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So I think that he has an opportunity to be in the NFL for a very long time.
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Neither one of those are good. I know people really liked, I didn't love Cam Ward's Pro Day. that was not a pro day that I was like, Oh, I love this. I saw like some outbreakers, some things on rhythm that weren't thrown. Great. Skipped a couple. He threw probably six or seven routes over. That's not something I feel like you're throwing routes on the air.
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You should be a hundred percent, but I've seen him do it in the game. So I just think that it's scrutinized less than it probably should be. Like if I, if I was on TV talking about these pro days, it wouldn't be like all roses and Hey man, that was just really good. But I think,
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these people care so much about saying good things about products there i saw one kid tweet he's like he was the media member i guess and he was like i'm literally shaking after this pro day because it was so impressive and i was like well if you're shaking at a fucking pro day then you should you should do something else it's a test you created how do i fuck up a test i created like i literally went through it's an open book test i got the answers there i've i've worked this script
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The script that we're about to run, I've worked at for the last three weeks, the exact throws, the same people, the same order. And I know people are like, oh, you're moving out the spot. I did. Hey, we talked about, hey, we're going to move left two steps and then we're going to push it. Everything is the most scripted situation that it could be.
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Like going to his left, getting flat, and then flipping his hips, like the one Zach Wilson does, right? I think that's the one I'm talking about. Zach Wilson's was harder because he threw it the other way, but that's a really easy throw. And there's people who get enamored by this. Like, who cares? And are you going to do that in the game? No.
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So I don't – we can keep doing this in pro days because they made a big deal when Zach Wilson did it, and people have been doing it for a ton of time. But it's silly.
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I don't see it. Like, I can cut on the tape. I can watch it over and over and over again. But it's not just when you watch a game and you realize that someone's staff, someone who got to see them practice every single day since the summer, they just had a first-round quarterback.
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They didn't have a quarterback this year and they're scared to throw. Like this isn't an offense that's not built around throwing. They wanted to throw the football and they didn't want to do it because he was a quarterback.
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So, I mean, the proof is in the pudding in terms of the people who got to see him the most did not have the same faith in him that these people who are like reporting on his draft stock have.
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There are some really creative things that you can do in the QB run game that I think can stress a defense out enough where he can become a good enough passer where he can start to figure some things out.
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He does special things. He's explosive. He has long speed. He's short quickness. He's an amazing athlete. And we can, like, really run him in a situation where people have to, like, make real decisions about how do we put eight guys in the box. And when we start getting eight guys in the box, then the receivers in the NFL are good enough to win against man to man. And if he can be accurate enough,
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to make solid throws. He doesn't have to make great throws, but he's going to put defenses in a position where they have to be, they have to show their cards early because they're going to be so concerned about the run fits that he's going to cause in the quarterback run game.
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So if you get him, if you have an offensive staff that's really creative, you can hope that one day he becomes like a Marcus Mariota, right? Not a great passer, but he did enough in terms of the run game that it made it difficult for defenses where he had a, he's had a really successful, wonderful career.
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I would have been far more worried about Caleb Williams if he didn't have the offensive staff that he has now. Because I think that Caleb did not have the structure in order to be successful. And you saw that with his drops. You saw that with his eyes. He spent a lot of time where you see his eyes go from the left side of the field and just shoot to the right. And that should never happen, right?
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Because our progressions are not worked where we start on the left side of the field outside the numbers and work all the way to the right side of the field outside the numbers.
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So either there was a level of confusion with the way that he was coached, right, where he started the odds in the wrong spot, or they didn't give him good enough answers where he could see things early on throughout his drop. So Ben Johnson's going to do a fantastic job in terms of getting him under center,
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I think he's going to have the ability to have more play action scheme where he's able to move the defense early on with run action and see a very clear picture.
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Yeah. CJ Shroud would probably be the best example of that. And CJ Shroud was actually someone who came into the lead 11, very, very undervalued. No one saw like the talent. He was actually our last pick in terms of getting into the 22 guys who get to come in or doodle down to 11 guys. He was someone who is a mental makeup.
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made it very easy for us to say he's going to be a first-round quarterback. I've never seen someone so consistently do every single thing right in terms of preparation, the little details of the playbook. He knew everything going in. He studied. He'd been through adversity. And that is a huge thing when you want to talk about quarterbacks.
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Who has been through adversity and has been able to make it out on the other side? He had that. and then he threw the ball with a level of confidence. You know how sometimes you'll see a quarterback throw a football, and it looks like he hopes the guy catches it?
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CJ Stroud threw every single ball, and it was like, I know this is going to be exactly where it needs to be, and all this guy has to do is his job. And we saw that from him at 17 years old, continued to see it throughout his college career. And it was funny, I think about his first start against the University of Minnesota,
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And he just struggled a little bit to start the game and his ability to just be resilient enough to come back and win that game. I was like, all right, we're good. He's going to be exactly who we think he is. And he had a bunch of top tier. I think when yours was buying that year, people were like, yo, we got to get, he was like, no, I got it.
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And that mental toughness and seeing this last year where people say he struggled a little bit. And I think that if you really dig in the film, you'd have some different thoughts, but
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It's on the right side of the field. I know exactly which throw you're talking about. And it's not just energy or what she threw it. It's how early he threw that ball with energy to have that level of anticipation. And Nico hasn't even started to come out of his break yet. And then put his foot in the ground and just rip that shit. Like the one that takes, that takes a set of nuts, right.
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To throw that ball in that situation. We don't get this first down here. We lose the game. He does so many things that I'm like, not worried about him one bit. He's going to be one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. for a very long time.
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Yeah, I think he's really good. But Duke has a quarterback who transferred from Tulane, Therian Mensah, who I think has the ability to be the best quarterback in college. But right now, if I had to say, here's my best quarterback, I'm going to go with Garrett Nussmeyer. Garrett Nussmeyer plays the game on time. He plays the game with anticipation and he can do off schedule things, right?
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That's the thing that separates, I think really good college guys from guys can be great in the NFL. Can you play on schedule? And then when things break down, do you have the ability to do something special? And Garrett has all those things.
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No, I'm, I'm super excited. So it's, it's really my story and I think that people see me now and they see like quarterback coach training the top NFL guys, but it's really more of a story like perseverance and all the things that it took to get to the spot that I'm at. Like I was, I was essentially homeless for over a thousand, a thousand days throughout my life.
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It was like just the ability to not quit and like be resilient when things get really, really difficult and you're facing hard times. Like how do you keep pushing through?
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and really knowing where you're trying to get through and i think that a lot of times people will say things and then actions are not not aligned with the things that they said and i think that when you get to see my story you get to see someone who's just like hey i said that i'm gonna get this thing and every single thing that i did was working towards that end goal like i said i wanted to be the best quarterback uh trainer in the world and
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Everything that I did was like put all my energy into that basket. No plan B and was resilient enough to wait out my time in order to get my first my first client. And then that first client was Joshua Dobbs, who's playing for the New England Patriots right now. And it was it's just been a long run. And I'm thankful to be where I'm at.
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What is going on?
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I would list, I would start with Kim Ward. I think that he's obviously number one in the class. I think that there's a large cavity between him and anybody else. And then Jackson Dart should do her. We're going to put them in the same class. And then Tyler shut right behind those guys. And those are really my top four. And I wouldn't have anybody else really in that range of top four, top five.
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I think it's going to be, I guess we can go Jalen Milrow, but I just don't see Jalen Milrow as the passer that I think is needed to be successful in the NFL right now. Like when you watch the Alabama games last year, they would try to protect him. And if you're trying to protect the quarterback at the college level, They could throw on third and seven or just like leave a two minute drive.
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And those are things that I think are necessary to be a successful NFL quarterback.
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Well, the thing that allows Cam to be rated so highly for me is his ability with his arm, right? And we talk a lot about how strong is somebody's arm. Well, that is one thing, but he has the ability to throw layered throws with touch, with anticipation, right? You see a defender between the receiver that he feels is open in him. He's able to get balls up and down.
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in a way that I think is unique in this class. He has arm talent that is truly unique, and you need that unique capability to be successful in the NFL. He can throw off platform, he can create, he's off schedule, and he also plays with a freedom in his game that I think you see from the best passers. And I don't want to compare him to Patrick Mahomes, but you see some of the same traits now.
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He's going to have to be a better passer on rhythm in order to be successful in the NFL, but you see flashes of things. And I think that if I'm going to take a guy early on or like people are talking about with the number one pick, I need to see somebody who can do things that are going to be unique in the NFL and definitely separate them at the college ranks.
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Confidence, right? That's not a physical skill, but that is... the number one thing I think a quarterback has to have. And that's kind of the only reason I even have Shador as a top quarterback because he has that confidence, right? The confidence to be able to go out there and when things go bad, the ability to bounce back and respond from difficult situations, right?