Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz

There are, I'm sorry, so there are many riots to this idea, and Rav Moshe, in our Chayim Chalikei, quotes the Taz that even though there's no chiv to stand when the Arun is open, we do it as a sign for extra chadivos.

And he says that our practice is to stand when they open the Aron for Avinu Malkeinu, or the Shir HaKavod, or different times in Yom HaNorayim.

So Moshe will have everybody stand throughout the entire Ne'ilah, even though that's not always easy.

So Moshe isn't sure if the fact that we're all Nohik that way makes it a binding minhag.

On the one hand, once Klal Yisrael accepts something, it becomes binding.

On the other hand, since it was done, the Ahav of the Chavivos, making it mandatory, takes away from that Ahav of the Chavivos.

Meaning, if we're going to say now it becomes a binding minag, then the whole point of the minag is gone.

The whole point of the minag was to show a sense of excitement about it.

So he says, if you're not going to have Kavanah while standing, so it's better to sit even when the Aron is open.

And he concludes that a tzibur, that has difficulty standing, like in a retirement community or something like that, so it needs to open the Aron less than three tzvachim.

So it would still be closed, the halacha, because of lavut,

but it would fulfill the minhag, samat, of opening the yaron at certain parts.

So, again, when the Torah is moving, you have to stand for a Torah that's a din, right?

We have, if you're going to stand for a lomdeha, mipaneha lo kalash again.

If the Torah tells you you have to stand for a lomdeh Torah, all the more so you have to stand for the Torah itself.

So when the Torah is moving, there's no real clear hetter.

When the yaron kodesh is open, it is a minhag, it's not a minhag,

Ramosha doesn't think it's an absolute requirement so it depends on the person's capability what about Simchas Torah when the women are sitting so first of all women are usually in the Ezra's Nashem so if they're in the Ezra's Nashem there's a Mechitza whenever there's a Mechitza when there's a barrier

then you're allowed to sit.

Sometimes people are a little more makal with how we define a barrier when it comes to Simchas Torah, that they'll set up tables, and if you're behind the tables, then maybe that's considered a barrier, and it's considered like it's a different room.