Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz

Talking during davening,

that's much worse.

This is talking about a separatist, that you're not even allowed to talk in a Beis HaKnesset or a Beis Medrash.

So he says, probably we follow the Ramban and the Ran, that when shuls are made with a Tanai, that you're allowed to do certain things, like eating or speaking, then in B'macham Tzarech you're allowed to do those things.

So the Yerushalayim says that it must be that it's a makum tzarech, that people should be able to engage in some level of friendly conversation, meaning people's entire engagement with other people who are on the same wavelength and who have the same values and who are from like them.

That happens in Batei Knessios.

Outside of Batei Knessios, a lot of times people are whole days at work and they're engaging with people who are not at all like them.

It's probably a significant tzarech.

to be able to have relationships and conversations with people from your own community and people who share your own values.

So yeah, probably that's what we rely on, but a person should learn in a base matter.

You learn with your chavrusa for three hours straight, and you're not going to say good morning or how are you.

It doesn't strike me as proper.

Now it is great to have a relationship with a person that is completely, completely based on Torah.

Meaning when you have a relationship with a person that's fully in Torah, there is something beautiful about that.

but it's not practical for the majority of our relationships to be that way, and it's very difficult to imagine that a person is going to sit in a base marriage for morning seder, afternoon seder, and night seder, and not have a little bit of sikhah betelah.

In fact, when I was at Rabbi Reisman's house for Shabbos a couple of weeks ago,

He remarked that one of the beautiful things about the relationship that we have is that it's purely in Torah.

He said publicly, he said that, I don't know how many children Rabbi Leibowitz has.

I don't think he knows how many children I have.

I happen to, yes, no, because I'm a little bit of a stalker.