Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz

Right now they realize it's a fast day.

So if Baruch Shem K'varmach Salonet...

So that is point number two.

So again, point number one is that Onan doesn't say brachos, and he's not even allowed to say brachos.

Point number two is that in general, we do say Baruch Hashem, when we say a bracha levatala, there are two ways to understand why we say Baruch Hashem, when we say a bracha levatala.

Now the question is, when an Onan says a bracha, do we view that as a real, genuine bracha levatala or not?

Is he really viewed as a love bar chayuva in brachos?

Or, no, he's a bar chayuva in brachos, but for whatever reason, our practice is that he does not recite a bracha.

Rav Avadion, Yabir Omer, Chelyagimel, Or Chaim, Simchav Zayin, discusses a person who...

goes to the bathroom while he's in onein, and then the kvura happens.

Does he say asher yatsar after the kvura?

So he points to a piskli tshuvin, who quotes from the nesivas in the derech hachayim, that if a person ate while they're in onein, and then after the kvura, they were still satiated from the meal that they ate, that they should bench.

And the Chachmas Adam says similarly, He really is a Baruch Hiyuvah, he just says a Pitora.

Also discusses an Onen that didn't Mitzvah, and was Motsi the Rabim Yidei Chavasam.

He blew a shofar or a rosh Hashanah or whatever.

He was Motzi Rav Midei Chavasav.

And he says, yeah, he's Motzi Rav Midei Chavasav.

Why?

Because apparently he's really included in the mitzvah.

He's really a bar chayuva in some level in the mitzvah.