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Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz

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4128 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

What's the problem?

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

You did everything before Shabbos, it's happening on its own on Shabbos.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

And the Gemara gives two answers.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

Answer number one is, yeah, but a mill makes a lot of noise.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

And Avshamilsa and Sabig B'Zayon, to have such a noisy machine running on Shabbos, that's where some of the posts came before the dishwashers got so quiet to run the dishwasher.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

It used to be very loud.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

So some of the posts can talk about dishwashers being a problem of just excessive noise.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

The other answer, the Gemara says, is that price of hal shito b'shamay.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

So the Rishonim...

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

Havimah Chokas, are we concerned with noisy machinery on Shabbos?

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

And Rav Moshe has a famous, I don't know, famous, but he has a comment in Rav Moshe, that if you could hear it in the next room, then it's too noisy.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

Okay, but these, so based on that Gemara, your Kelim Dumalacha for you on Shabbos, that is fine, unless it's very noisy, and obviously these photo frames are not noisy at all.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

So what would be the problem?

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

So Rav Shechter Shelita, Morenu Rav Shechter Shelita, assumes that if a Malacha didn't start before Shabbos, if the entire Malacha is happening on Shabbos, meaning you may have set up the system by which this Malacha will happen on Shabbos, you may have set up the system on Erev Shabbos, but the Malacha didn't start on Erev Shabbos, that's where it's a problem.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

And he bases it on a passage of the Rambam, which later discovered a passage of the Rambam that Rav Zevin wrote,

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

I actually wrote about it in Isham Vashitos, where the Rambam was me-yashav this stira by saying there's a difference between a mill and an irrigation system.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

The irrigation system was already working on Erev Shabbos.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

It was already doing the malach on Erev Shabbos, and it's just continuing.

Ten Minute Halacha
Answering YUr Shailos

The mill is grinding new wheat already.