Rachel Abrams

Okay, so one of the three planes, you could argue, should have been made aware of that order and stayed grounded, right?

So does the judge buy that?

So does the judge buy that?

Right, the screw you was silent.

Right, the screw you was silent.

Wow. So they're really digging in here.

Wow. So they're really digging in here.

Right. If you think about it, it's actually the perfect case for them because what better way is there to test the limits of the law other than on a case that will not engender a lot of sympathy?

Right. If you think about it, it's actually the perfect case for them because what better way is there to test the limits of the law other than on a case that will not engender a lot of sympathy?

So what do you make of that? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but the Supreme Court doesn't actually get a say in whether a judge is impeached, right? Like that's Congress's authority.

So what do you make of that? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but the Supreme Court doesn't actually get a say in whether a judge is impeached, right? Like that's Congress's authority.

Okay, all of that makes a lot of sense, but do we think that Trump actually cares about any of that?

Okay, all of that makes a lot of sense, but do we think that Trump actually cares about any of that?

Luke, I know we say this a lot in our business, journalism, especially, you know, these days, but this really feels like unfamiliar territory. Like, it does not feel like we have gotten this close to the precipice of a constitutional crisis, a showdown between judges and the president. So I just, can we play this out a little bit more to the possible conclusions here?

Luke, I know we say this a lot in our business, journalism, especially, you know, these days, but this really feels like unfamiliar territory. Like, it does not feel like we have gotten this close to the precipice of a constitutional crisis, a showdown between judges and the president. So I just, can we play this out a little bit more to the possible conclusions here?

Like, what if the judge tells the government, you did defy my order, you are in violation? What happens after that?

Like, what if the judge tells the government, you did defy my order, you are in violation? What happens after that?

And if the Trump administration defies any of those orders, who would even enforce that?

And if the Trump administration defies any of those orders, who would even enforce that?

Yeah, but what are the chances that Trump's Justice Department would enforce an order against its own administration?