Rachel Abrams

Did you manage to speak with anybody else in the hotel?

Okay, so you've made contact with these people. They've told you their stories. But what do officials say is going on here?

Okay, so you've made contact with these people. They've told you their stories. But what do officials say is going on here?

So, Julie, this sounds like it would be really confusing for the people in this hotel. How long are they kept there?

So, Julie, this sounds like it would be really confusing for the people in this hotel. How long are they kept there?

The Darien Gap, that is something that we have covered with you on this show before. This is the only way for people in South America to cross into Central America by foot, and it's incredibly dangerous. And so now what you're describing is these folks are being sent to a camp right by it.

The Darien Gap, that is something that we have covered with you on this show before. This is the only way for people in South America to cross into Central America by foot, and it's incredibly dangerous. And so now what you're describing is these folks are being sent to a camp right by it.

And looking around, seeing what she's seeing, does any of this change Artemis's mind about whether she wants to return to Iran?

And looking around, seeing what she's seeing, does any of this change Artemis's mind about whether she wants to return to Iran?

Right. The only thing that is clear is that she is not going back to the United States. Absolutely.

Right. The only thing that is clear is that she is not going back to the United States. Absolutely.

After the break, my colleague Hamed Aliaziz on how this new strategy could accelerate the mass deportations that President Trump has promised. We'll be right back. So, Hamed, thank you for being here.

After the break, my colleague Hamed Aliaziz on how this new strategy could accelerate the mass deportations that President Trump has promised. We'll be right back. So, Hamed, thank you for being here.

We just heard from our colleague Julie about all of these people who were picked up in the U.S. and flown to Panama. And I want to understand how this fits into Trump's broader strategy on immigration, which you cover. So can you unpack all of this a bit for us?

We just heard from our colleague Julie about all of these people who were picked up in the U.S. and flown to Panama. And I want to understand how this fits into Trump's broader strategy on immigration, which you cover. So can you unpack all of this a bit for us?

Which feels sort of surprising because I feel like the news recently has been full of stories about ICE raids and detentions all around the country. There have been raids in Chicago, Los Angeles. We recently saw New York City Mayor Eric Adams let ICE into Rikers, the jail here. So just explain how exactly is all of this actually much slower than it appears?

Which feels sort of surprising because I feel like the news recently has been full of stories about ICE raids and detentions all around the country. There have been raids in Chicago, Los Angeles. We recently saw New York City Mayor Eric Adams let ICE into Rikers, the jail here. So just explain how exactly is all of this actually much slower than it appears?

So in other words, what we heard about that was happening in Panama is almost like a workaround to some of what you've just described as the difficulties with deportations. And as Julie explained to us earlier, by flying people to places like Panama, we're essentially making these people somebody else's problem.

So in other words, what we heard about that was happening in Panama is almost like a workaround to some of what you've just described as the difficulties with deportations. And as Julie explained to us earlier, by flying people to places like Panama, we're essentially making these people somebody else's problem.

But I just want to be clear in understanding sort of what's different here because the U.S. has been doing a version of this recently. In recent years in Mexico, we deport non-Mexicans to Mexico. So how is this different exactly?