Rachel Abrams

And then you've got this moment when China joins the World Trade Organization, which really brings China onto the world main stage in a way that it hadn't been before. Yeah.

Ana, how would you characterize Navarro's view of all of this? Is his assessment of what China is doing fair?

Ana, how would you characterize Navarro's view of all of this? Is his assessment of what China is doing fair?

It really does sound like Peter Navarro is ringing the alarm bell on China kind of well before a lot of other people are. How does he actually get attached to Donald Trump, though?

It really does sound like Peter Navarro is ringing the alarm bell on China kind of well before a lot of other people are. How does he actually get attached to Donald Trump, though?

So when Trump and Navarro leave office in 2021, what exactly had they accomplished in terms of the trade relationship with China?

So when Trump and Navarro leave office in 2021, what exactly had they accomplished in terms of the trade relationship with China?

Wow, that is quite an image. And we know what happens next. Trump, who is somebody who obviously prizes loyalty very much, wins the election, returns to office, and he brings Peter Navarro back with him.

Wow, that is quite an image. And we know what happens next. Trump, who is somebody who obviously prizes loyalty very much, wins the election, returns to office, and he brings Peter Navarro back with him.

So, Ana, now that we understand how Peter Navarro formed his worldview about trade with China, let's talk about his tools for bringing back manufacturing jobs to the U.S. And those tools are tariffs. Tell us about how Navarro makes the case for tariffs.

So, Ana, now that we understand how Peter Navarro formed his worldview about trade with China, let's talk about his tools for bringing back manufacturing jobs to the U.S. And those tools are tariffs. Tell us about how Navarro makes the case for tariffs.

But what does Navarro say about the criticisms that are often cited of using tariffs? Like Trump himself has acknowledged on social media that tariffs could lead to higher prices, for example, for consumers. And in the U.S., just to point out, we just went through a period of super high inflation. And that was really, really painful for people.

But what does Navarro say about the criticisms that are often cited of using tariffs? Like Trump himself has acknowledged on social media that tariffs could lead to higher prices, for example, for consumers. And in the U.S., just to point out, we just went through a period of super high inflation. And that was really, really painful for people.

The sense I'm getting from talking to you about your conversation with Navarro is that we're talking about these really aggressive, audacious policy tools. And in fact, you know, in some form or fashion, the U.S. has been using them for the past few years. They obviously started in the first Trump administration.

The sense I'm getting from talking to you about your conversation with Navarro is that we're talking about these really aggressive, audacious policy tools. And in fact, you know, in some form or fashion, the U.S. has been using them for the past few years. They obviously started in the first Trump administration.

But what's coming through is that it doesn't sound like Navarro is actually grappling with what you're describing as the potential negative consequences of these tariffs. LESLIE KENDRICK

But what's coming through is that it doesn't sound like Navarro is actually grappling with what you're describing as the potential negative consequences of these tariffs. LESLIE KENDRICK

Well, Anna, thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

Well, Anna, thank you very much. Thanks for having me.

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