Rachel Abrams

And, you know, whether or not he believes in President Trump or whether he's just trying to do the best thing for his companies, I guess that doesn't really matter because he's gone full MAGA, right? Like he's fully aligning himself with the new administration. But I have to note that looking at where we are today, it doesn't seem like any of that helped him that much.

So, Cecilia, we just talked about how Zuckerberg couldn't get Trump to make this case go away. But what exactly is the case that the government is bringing here?

So, Cecilia, we just talked about how Zuckerberg couldn't get Trump to make this case go away. But what exactly is the case that the government is bringing here?

So it sounds like from what you're saying that there weren't any alarm bells ringing at the time when Facebook was acquiring these companies. But obviously something changed. What changed and why?

So it sounds like from what you're saying that there weren't any alarm bells ringing at the time when Facebook was acquiring these companies. But obviously something changed. What changed and why?

So what is the harm that the government is arguing that Meta poses here exactly, if not ripping people off in terms of how much they're paying for a product?

So what is the harm that the government is arguing that Meta poses here exactly, if not ripping people off in terms of how much they're paying for a product?

Cecilia, I can't help but notice that Zuckerberg, who has become this free speech absolutist and rolled back so much of the company's past efforts to censor content on the platform, he's actually now the target of a case the president or his administration is taking on, at least in part, because he thinks meta holds too much power to shape speech.

Cecilia, I can't help but notice that Zuckerberg, who has become this free speech absolutist and rolled back so much of the company's past efforts to censor content on the platform, he's actually now the target of a case the president or his administration is taking on, at least in part, because he thinks meta holds too much power to shape speech.

But it sort of sounds like from what you've explained that the government has a bit of an uphill battle here for two reasons. One, they basically have to say, like, look, even though we approved these mergers back in the day, we've changed our mind. We want to unwind them, which seems tough.

But it sort of sounds like from what you've explained that the government has a bit of an uphill battle here for two reasons. One, they basically have to say, like, look, even though we approved these mergers back in the day, we've changed our mind. We want to unwind them, which seems tough.

And two, they've also got this new argument where they're trying to prove new harms in a theory that's kind of been untested before. Right. So should I take it from what you've just said that Meta is feeling pretty good about its chances here? Yeah.

And two, they've also got this new argument where they're trying to prove new harms in a theory that's kind of been untested before. Right. So should I take it from what you've just said that Meta is feeling pretty good about its chances here? Yeah.

Here's what else you need to know today. A federal judge threatened to open a contempt investigation into whether the Trump administration violated an order the judge issued directing officials to stop planes of Venezuelan migrants from being sent to El Salvador.

Here's what else you need to know today. A federal judge threatened to open a contempt investigation into whether the Trump administration violated an order the judge issued directing officials to stop planes of Venezuelan migrants from being sent to El Salvador.

The judge said he would begin the proceedings against the administration unless the White House gives scores of Venezuelan men deported to El Salvador a chance to challenge their removal.

The judge said he would begin the proceedings against the administration unless the White House gives scores of Venezuelan men deported to El Salvador a chance to challenge their removal.

And on Wednesday, Britain's Supreme Court ruled that trans women do not fall within the legal definition of women under the country's equality legislation, dealing a major blow to campaigners for transgender rights.

And on Wednesday, Britain's Supreme Court ruled that trans women do not fall within the legal definition of women under the country's equality legislation, dealing a major blow to campaigners for transgender rights.

While the five judges involved in the ruling said the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex, they emphasized that they were not commenting on whether trans women are women more broadly, saying it was not the role of the court to adjudicate the meaning of gender or sex. Today's episode was produced by Nina Feldman and Carlos Prieto.