Rachel Abrams

The two most powerful countries can't get together and talk about all the other problems facing the world today, like climate change, like pandemics, like financial crises. But it also means they can't get together and talk about things they disagree on, because they'll have less reason to. Things like the fate of Taiwan, fentanyl, and human rights. And if China and the U.S.

aren't talking, if they're not engaging on these big issues, then we're suddenly plunged into a far more dangerous world.

aren't talking, if they're not engaging on these big issues, then we're suddenly plunged into a far more dangerous world.

Thank you, Rachel.

Thank you, Rachel.

From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams. This is The Daily. Over the past few weeks, some of the most prestigious universities in the country have faced a threat to their very existence from President Trump, who has frozen billions of dollars in federal funds in an attempt to rid higher education of what he calls its woke ideology.

From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams. This is The Daily. Over the past few weeks, some of the most prestigious universities in the country have faced a threat to their very existence from President Trump, who has frozen billions of dollars in federal funds in an attempt to rid higher education of what he calls its woke ideology.

And the question now is, who will cut a deal and who will fight? Today, my conversation with the president of Princeton University, Christopher Eisgruber, who has vowed that he will fight. It's Wednesday, April 9th. Hi, Rachel Abrams.

And the question now is, who will cut a deal and who will fight? Today, my conversation with the president of Princeton University, Christopher Eisgruber, who has vowed that he will fight. It's Wednesday, April 9th. Hi, Rachel Abrams.

Yes, thank you for making the time for us.

Yes, thank you for making the time for us.

You should definitely caffeinate.

You should definitely caffeinate.

No, good. We like that energy on the daily. We're a high-energy show. All right.

No, good. We like that energy on the daily. We're a high-energy show. All right.

Thank you. So President Eisgruber, first of all, Eisgruber, right?

Thank you. So President Eisgruber, first of all, Eisgruber, right?

Chris, we are talking to you about one week after the administration moved to suspend dozens of grants to Princeton, and that could be hundreds of millions of dollars potentially. And this, of course, follows the moves from the administration against other universities. We've seen it with Columbia. We've seen it with Harvard. And if this goes the same way that it's gone for other institutions—

Chris, we are talking to you about one week after the administration moved to suspend dozens of grants to Princeton, and that could be hundreds of millions of dollars potentially. And this, of course, follows the moves from the administration against other universities. We've seen it with Columbia. We've seen it with Harvard. And if this goes the same way that it's gone for other institutions—

What we could expect to see in the near future, if you haven't gotten it already, is a list of demands from the Trump administration, changes that they want to see from Princeton. So we want to talk to you today about how you're feeling about the choices that you have in front of you and what those choices even look like, practically speaking. But just to start off,