Rachel Abrams

Okay, so Ben, how did this trial go from looking like Live Nation had largely escaped unscathed to them losing so completely by being declared this monopoly?

So the AGs in this moment basically have a choice whether to take the settlement that the federal government has reached or to continue pursuing litigation on their own without the help of the federal government?

How optimistic are the AGs feeling at this moment in time with their new lawyer who's getting this crash course?

The government, as you said, has just dropped out.

Those were the guys who have been working the hardest for the longest, right?

And did they give other examples of that behavior?

Like what were sort of their strongest selling points in this moment?

They use that explicit language.

Wow.

Okay.

Seems pretty clear.

But you have to imagine that people on the jury are listening to this, and some of them go to concerts, and presumably this confirms all of ticket buyers' worst fears, these slacks.

OK, so that's the verdict.

Live Nation, Ticketmaster, they're found pretty convincingly, it sounds like, to be a monopoly, which, as you said at the beginning of the conversation, that's a very big deal.

But I think the question for everybody listening, Ben, is how does the verdict affect the concert going public?

Like, what can we tell people about how their concert or ticket experience might change going forward?

All of that makes sense.

And given all of that, and given the ultimate outcome of the case, that Live Nation was ultimately declared a monopoly, how should we be thinking about the government's earlier decision to settle?

Ben Cesario, thank you so much.

During testimony on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.