Rachel Abrams

Did you hear about any other FBI employees that got pushed out because of similar political pressure?

Obviously, all of this is extremely distressing to the people that it has directly affected, these agents who are being forced to leave in some way.

But I do wonder also about the people that are being left behind and what kind of impact this environment has on them and of the actual work of the FBI.

You know, we talked earlier about the fact that the two of you did interview people who worked at the FBI who did say that the FBI needs better PR, that it's good that some of these agents move out to field offices.

And just to take that a step further, it makes me wonder whether taking all of the changes that you've reported on together, were there people that you spoke with who worked at the FBI that were actually in favor of the direction it was going?

So ultimately, what you are describing is an agency that's really been turned upside down under Kash Patel's leadership.

And since your reporting came out, there has been additional reporting about how the agency has been in turmoil.

Just last week, The Atlantic published an article that, among other things, accused Patel of excessive drinking.

And we should note, Patel has since filed a lawsuit against The Atlantic accusing it of defamation.

So given all of these controversies put together, I just wonder whether you have any sense that Patel is on the way out.

Emily Bazelon, Rachel Poser, thank you both so much for your work and for being here.

We'll be right back.

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