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Rachel Aviv

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In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Well, it's funny because the morning that the Toronto Star article came out, my friend who's from Toronto just emailed it to me and was like, Rachel, you should write about this. And then over the next few days, a few other people, friends were like, you're writing about this, right? What did that tell you?

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Well, it's funny because the morning that the Toronto Star article came out, my friend who's from Toronto just emailed it to me and was like, Rachel, you should write about this. And then over the next few days, a few other people, friends were like, you're writing about this, right? What did that tell you?

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

I think because it's about so many things that I, you know, memory, sort of family, trauma, the sort of generational dynamics of,

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

I think because it's about so many things that I, you know, memory, sort of family, trauma, the sort of generational dynamics of,

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

So Alice was away. Her father was dying. And... Andrea asked if she could sleep in the master bedroom, and Jerry Fremlin said, okay, don't tell your mother. And from there, he got into her bed and sexually abused her. She said it didn't even occur to her to tell her mother because she felt so unsafe in that house. And then it continued until she was

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

So Alice was away. Her father was dying. And... Andrea asked if she could sleep in the master bedroom, and Jerry Fremlin said, okay, don't tell your mother. And from there, he got into her bed and sexually abused her. She said it didn't even occur to her to tell her mother because she felt so unsafe in that house. And then it continued until she was

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

through puberty, this sort of him exposing himself to her and sort of trying to proposition her.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

through puberty, this sort of him exposing himself to her and sort of trying to proposition her.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

I mean, so after Andrea told her mother about the abuse in 1992, which is 16 years after it happened, Alice left Jerry Fremlin. And he then sort of unleashed this, like, torrent of letters in which he was...

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

I mean, so after Andrea told her mother about the abuse in 1992, which is 16 years after it happened, Alice left Jerry Fremlin. And he then sort of unleashed this, like, torrent of letters in which he was...

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

ostensibly defending himself, except what the letters actually were were like incredibly detailed confessions in which he explained that he was sort of responding to this nine-year-old seductress and that he knows that there are lolitos in the world and he was simply being a humpert, a humpert.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

ostensibly defending himself, except what the letters actually were were like incredibly detailed confessions in which he explained that he was sort of responding to this nine-year-old seductress and that he knows that there are lolitos in the world and he was simply being a humpert, a humpert.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Well, she did immediately leave her partner and go to their second home on the west coast of Canada. And Andrea came there to be with her and felt the experience was not about her. It was about her mother as this sort of betrayed lover. Alice Monroe took her Jerry Fremlin back within a month. Within a month. Within a month.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Well, she did immediately leave her partner and go to their second home on the west coast of Canada. And Andrea came there to be with her and felt the experience was not about her. It was about her mother as this sort of betrayed lover. Alice Monroe took her Jerry Fremlin back within a month. Within a month. Within a month.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

And, you know, the way she explained it to Andrea was, you know, I loved him too much. I'm too dependent. I'm too old.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

And, you know, the way she explained it to Andrea was, you know, I loved him too much. I'm too dependent. I'm too old.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

She was a participant in, like, a pretty psychologically abusive relationship and had many of the dynamics of sort of women who try to leave men and don't feel like they can exist without that man. There was a sort of confused idea about...

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

She was a participant in, like, a pretty psychologically abusive relationship and had many of the dynamics of sort of women who try to leave men and don't feel like they can exist without that man. There was a sort of confused idea about...

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Like this sort of idea that she often would tell Andrea that it was misogynistic to expect a mother to sacrifice her own happiness because her husband has done a bad thing. And Andrea really internalized that and would tell her mother that. And like, yes, of course, like no one would ever ask a father to do this, only a mother. Therefore, I cannot ask my mother to do this.

In The Dark
From The New Yorker Radio Hour: Rachel Aviv on Alice Munro’s Family Secrets

Like this sort of idea that she often would tell Andrea that it was misogynistic to expect a mother to sacrifice her own happiness because her husband has done a bad thing. And Andrea really internalized that and would tell her mother that. And like, yes, of course, like no one would ever ask a father to do this, only a mother. Therefore, I cannot ask my mother to do this.