Rachel Slaybaugh

So there were real health impacts, but it was because of fear, not because of radiation.

Yeah.

Radically.

And in a way that sort of came, it kind of came out of nowhere.

like your perceptions it came out of nowhere or like as far as you can tell it really came out of nowhere both i think from in the nuclear industry it feels like all of a sudden everyone has it's like oh you finally read the data we've been reading is kind of how it feels and that's not actually what happened like a whole bunch of things have changed some of it is generational like there are fewer old greens out there like pounding the pavement against nuclear

Millennials are largely more interested in nuclear because climate change is really scary and they can read the numbers and they're like, oh, yeah, this thing makes sense.

And what has really shifted now is we're back to a world of load growth and we're like, what are we going to do?

The big reactors, it's just, they're expensive.

And we have not proven we can build them repeatedly and cost-effectively.

And because they're so expensive, there just aren't that many groups with a balance sheet big enough to build one of them.

And so they're difficult to finance.

The cost of financing is very high.

I mean, it depends on what you mean.

We are in many, many categories, not just vision, but vision is one of them.

We're leading on like the innovation.

So development of like idea development, inventing the new things.

But mostly China is leading on actually building the new things and deploying the new things.

And why is that?

Some of it is the way that we are structured.

We have a lot more capital for early ideas and we have a lot less appetite for sort of like first of a kind plants or second of a kind plants.