Rachel Webster

Jamie became TikTok famous, acquired some trolls.

Jamie became TikTok famous, acquired some trolls.

but more importantly, discovered that she is not alone, even though she and everyone else in debt think so.

but more importantly, discovered that she is not alone, even though she and everyone else in debt think so.

And finally, she surmised that getting out of debt might be more complicated than simply learning how to budget. For the next several episodes, these two semi-qualified sleuths Yep, that's us. are going to try to get to the bottom of what makes debt so ubiquitous in our culture and why it's so hard to get out of it. Jamie, do you know what happened in 1983?

And finally, she surmised that getting out of debt might be more complicated than simply learning how to budget. For the next several episodes, these two semi-qualified sleuths Yep, that's us. are going to try to get to the bottom of what makes debt so ubiquitous in our culture and why it's so hard to get out of it. Jamie, do you know what happened in 1983?

That's not what I was thinking of.

That's not what I was thinking of.

Wow. I wasn't thinking of that either. But isn't it interesting that both of those cultural treasures, I would call them cultural treasures, featured women working blue-collar jobs when all they really wanted to do was dance?

Wow. I wasn't thinking of that either. But isn't it interesting that both of those cultural treasures, I would call them cultural treasures, featured women working blue-collar jobs when all they really wanted to do was dance?

I'm ready. The thing about 1983 is that prior to that year, there was no consumer debt. Did you hear me?

I'm ready. The thing about 1983 is that prior to that year, there was no consumer debt. Did you hear me?

Oh, good God. So what I was saying is that prior to 1983, on average, people didn't have any non-mortgage debt. So in essence, no debt. Hold on.

Oh, good God. So what I was saying is that prior to 1983, on average, people didn't have any non-mortgage debt. So in essence, no debt. Hold on.

Good question. Let's find out.

Good question. Let's find out.

Like us. Like everybody. I'm Jamie. And I'm Rachel.

Like us. Like everybody. I'm Jamie. And I'm Rachel.

Because we know firsthand what it's like to lose sleep over debt. To live in denial over debt. To get out of debt, but find ourselves falling back into it. But most importantly, to start questioning why and how. America became a country full of deadheads. When Jamie first started to tackle her financial situation, she was in about $23,000 of debt. Credit card debt, to be specific.

Because we know firsthand what it's like to lose sleep over debt. To live in denial over debt. To get out of debt, but find ourselves falling back into it. But most importantly, to start questioning why and how. America became a country full of deadheads. When Jamie first started to tackle her financial situation, she was in about $23,000 of debt. Credit card debt, to be specific.