Rahm Emanuel

It will be very interesting.

We won't know the answer.

Thursday, there's a primary in New Jersey for Mikey Carroll's congressional seat that has a pretty wide spectrum.

Lieutenant governor, former member of Congress, a supervisor, Kenny, and a person who found themselves as kind of like AOC.

So we'll see.

I don't think...

I think there's a bigger moderate wing of the party and there's a bigger pragmatic wing.

Now, one thing that we know from presidential history, Clinton, John Kerry, Joe Biden,

that ultimately when the parties walk backs against the wall, they go pragmatic, not ideological.

Winning will be more important than any particular thing.

At this point in time- No, no, you were talking, no, no, no.

Worse than that.

At this point in time,

Mario Cuomo, Bill Bradley, Jay Rock.

Well, let me say this.

Yeah, but I do think one thing that's very clear, and I say this as I evaluate my view, 2028, and for the country and for the party, will be the first primary election and general election in which the future will be on the ballot.

Yeah.

And I think we've had make America great again, build back better.

You know, while they're different in many, many policy ways, spiritually, they emanate that they look through the rearview mirror with this hazy, nostalgic sense, rather than look to the future and say, here's what we're going to do.

You know,