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Rain Paharia

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Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And I'm like, there's always been this activation energy.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

We have to go read the documentation and stuff.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And so what I instead ended up doing with this is that I took an existing project that I had, which I felt like was a good fit for Kani.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And I just asked Cloud Opus 4.5 to, hey, come up with a few properties that we can verify that way.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And it just did that.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And I'm like, now I understand how this stuff works and what the limitations are and stuff.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And just like, like, there are so many ways you can kind of use this stuff to, to go like increase the level of rigor in our software.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And honestly, it really bothers me that the dominant narrative is the whole like slop white code stuff.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

Right.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

Because like, or infrastructure engineers, there's so much more you can get out of it.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

I mean, the thing I will say personally is like having a culture where writing things down is valued.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

is like, you know, it is like a real multiplier here.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And so, uh, I mean, our oxide, like I'm, I'm very happy that, you know, all of this work that we do, like we now have a new way to gain leverage from, from all this writing work that, you know, we are culturally do, uh, if you're, if you're at a place that, you know, maybe it doesn't have as strong rigorous like requirements or like, you know, isn't as committal as, as oxide where we ship hardware or whatever.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

I would still consider, like, you know, doing work to write things down and produce good documentation, good design documents, because, like, at least the current generation of LLMs, like, really like that.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

And so, you know, like, kind of, you know, get a little more disciplined, right, with some of these things, right?

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

So, yeah, that's what I would say.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

Like, write things down.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

Honestly, this is kind of the advice I would give.

Oxide and Friends
Engineering Rigor in the LLM Age

I would say practice writing.