Rainn Wilson

That's a great question.

And I wish I had kind of like some nugget, but it just...

It just was, it was a shift, you know, it was a lot of work.

It was like, you know, it's like you put in the work you can, you know, use athletics as, as a metaphor, like you practice, you know, you just, you practice and you work at it and you fail and you struggle and you know, there's ups and downs and.

You know, it was finding a really good therapist and doing some retreats and doing some reading and working with my wife a lot.

I learned a ton from my wife.

um she's much better at this stuff than i am and um uh and it it it wasn't kind of like an aha thing like oh it was just yeah i just when i look back on it now like oh yeah i'm i'm so much more at peace now than i was and and and i have been for many years but when i look back at those years um

No.

Wait.

No, anyone, anyone can do the work.

I think that, um,

there's a lot to say on that.

So that is an interesting conversation because for both of us, we felt like we weren't enough.

We worked our tails off to kind of

Prove to the world that we're enough.

And we scraped our way up and built careers, right?

Me, this weird looking actor guy.

And if I had felt blissed out, peaceful, and just content with who I was at 24, would I have...

striven the way I did, what I have struggled and clawed my way from, you know, unemployed actor in New York city to, you know, Emmy nominated, you know, television show and, and lots of money.

Like what I have, you know, sometimes, and you see that with so many people that are really driven, there's something kind of broken inside them that goads them on.