Ramon Ray

And of course the criminal element, the biggest ones that are sometimes backed by state actors are backed by criminal organizations, not just guys and gals on the street, but behind computer keyboards.

They want to get money from Hala.

They want to steal Ramon's data.

They know that, okay, 10,000, 20,000, a million, whatever it is, people are in his database.

How can we harvest that information, combine it with what else we have, create a digital persona, and maybe we can apply for 5 million credit cards.

Most of them won't get through, but if X percentage get through, they've made easy money.

So at the highest level, money is some motivation, however it's packaged.

Reselling the data or proactively ourself.

getting the data, and of course, notwithstanding, breaking into your bank account directly, which is a bit harder.

So hence the data and manipulation of that is often what they want to do.

I wish it was.

Now, for sure, if you're in the HIPAA, and I forgot what HIPAA stands for, but you know you're in the health care space, there's definitely rules and regulations regulating you.

If Ramon gets into the new gold bullion industry, I'm going to have to take a bit more secure than if I didn't.

But Hala, I'm telling you, it's all of us.

And the reason why, because from metaphorically, one button I hit, I can hit a button and say, go find me all the unprotected networks.

Go find me everyone that has low threat levels and go attack them all at once.

So that's the problem that makes it easier.

Now, they're not cherry picking.

We're just going to attack pharmaceutical.

Nah, we're going to attack everybody, see who we can get through, and now we'll pay more attention to them.