Ramon Ray

Now, somebody just starting out, assuming you're really good, like you're going to slay, you're going to drop the mic,

Start at three.

Start at five, see what happens.

But I'd say go a little higher because let's say you want Holla to hire you or Ramon to hire you.

All we're going to do is say, hmm, seven's a bit rich.

Could you do five?

And you're going to be happy.

Anahala, I love that.

That's all I wanted to echo with you and vibe with you on that.

People sneer sometimes, depending on the circles of probably maybe some of our mutual friends, free.

I'll do free all day, as you said, depending on the opportunity.

The proverbial Oprah Winfrey or Russell Brunson calls me, don't pay me.

I've done work with Seth Godin before.

You think I said, well, Seth, let me think about it.

Hmm, what are you going to pay me?

No, no, no, no, no.

Yes, let's work together.

We will figure out the money later on.

So I wanted to echo that.

And even though just starting, assuming you're practicing getting in the reps, what Hollis said is true.