Ramtin Arablui

Clearly pick a side or potentially lose support from the mainstream.

Sometimes you got to sing off key to be heard, you know?

Throughout the book, just to follow up on that, there is this feeling that while he holds that rage, as you just said, he's also capable of simultaneously understanding that the white citizens of the United States who are

responsible for the state of a major role and responsible for the state of racism in the system in America.

He also holds a deep love for

and a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood for those people.

And do you think part of the reason he was able to do that so well, beyond just his ability to write and think, was that he was a witness and not necessarily a participant in the sense that he wasn't an activist.

He intentionally chose to be a witness, to bear witness, to document in a lot of ways

uh, what he was seeing, what does that tell us about kind of where, you know, many of us sit?

And do you think that was what really enabled him to kind of really be able to balance those heavy emotions?

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That's it for this week's show.

I'm Ramtin Arablui.

This episode was produced by me.

Jamie York.

Lawrence Wu.

Thanks also to Camille Smiley and Anya Grunman.

And before we let you go, we wanted to highlight a comment on Apple Podcasts from a listener named Brooke who said, quote, I so appreciate the episode about the history of the conflict in Sudan because this massive conflict gets so little media attention in the Western media.

I've struggled to understand the basics, but your show was an excellent education.

Thanks for sharing this, Brooke.