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Ramtin Naimi

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1465 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

I think Sotheby's is about like a $3 billion market cap and it's well over a hundred year old company.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

So I think good businesses, not phenomenal businesses.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

Their margins are a lot more volatile than one would think looking into it externally.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

But I'd say the blue chip galleries seem to have endless pockets.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

What they spend money on is beautiful gallery space and making beautiful exhibitions, but they have a cost of goods, which is basically zero and then very, very large tickets and then 50% rev share.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

It's a lot easier to identify what is going to be a great company than who is going to be an artist that stands the test of time.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

There's a lot more tangible things you can look at.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

There's much more fundamental and technical things that you can look at that'll tell you that something is special and something is good.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

There is a market for pricing in the venture world that might not necessarily be the case in the art world.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

Fair market value is very clearly determined in the venture world.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

A company goes out to fundraise, an auction is run, and term sheets are offered and a price is set.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

Those things are obviously very different.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

Those are the primary differences, is really just venture is a much more tangible, even though it's tangible, there's a lot more to underwrite.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

There's an E, not just a P. Exactly.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

The simplest way to describe this is how I came up with a thesis for how abstract actually invests.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And this thesis has evolved over time.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

But the thesis in which I started abstract was trying to identify which companies have the highest likelihood of becoming power law companies.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And I identified power law by any companies that had a private market cap or exited north of a $5 billion valuation.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

What I'd realized over time was that if you eliminate Uber and Roblox from the equation, whose seed rounds were led by first round capital, it's close to impossible to identify power law companies in which the seed round was led by a seed stage venture capital firm.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

This has changed in recent years, which is why our strategy has also evolved.