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Ramtin Naimi

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1465 total appearances

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

So there's some survivorship bias there.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

What you need to ultimately look at is that probably 80% of the companies got announced because that's just what ends up happening in ventures.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

So let's assume there was 1,000 companies

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And Uber was in that bucket.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And if you wrote an equal-sized check into every single one of those 1,000 companies, you would have gotten a 3,000x just on Uber.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

So you would have actually had a 3x net venture capital portfolio blanketing the entire market.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

There was also Airbnb and Dropbox.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

and so many other companies and Instagram that were funded in that window, there is no world in which you could blanket an asset class and should be able to generate a three, five, seven X. So that was very clear sign that deals were too cheap back then.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And as anything, as markets get more efficient over time, deals start to price a little bit more accurately.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And I thought that seed funds were holding on to those low prices a little too drastically.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And multistage funds had a bit more of the right idea.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

Now, if you start to think that

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

a 3,000x multiple on a seed deal like Uber gave you a 3x across a blanketed coverage between 2008 and 2011, then you could argue seed deals need to be 3x more expensive as a floor.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

But if you mix in all the other companies, you probably assume that seed deals should be 5x more expensive as a floor.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And by the way, even if that's the case, that means that an average entry valuation of 25 million, if you blanket the entire market, you should be able to break even on your money, which should never be the case because as you know, investing is challenging.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

So now we're in a market where you actually need to be better at picking than you were historically.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

In terms of what we started to do in the early days, what I did was I looked at the last few hundred companies that were backed by the multi-stage tier one venture capital firms.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And I started to identify patterns that existed in the founders they were backing.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

And venture is a pattern matching business for better or for worse.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Ramtin Naimi - Building Abstract - [Invest Like the Best, EP.435]

But what I started to notice was that they liked founders that went to one of these schools, got one of these degrees, worked at one of these companies and one of these roles and one of these periods of time in that company's inflection.