Randall Nickerson

Yeah. Well, that's kind of why I... Part of it. I think that that conversation is not – we're not there yet to really actually have that conversation about – With the public, you mean? With the public for – about personal contact. I think that's – I think people – if you look at the way it's gone, we're starting from the outside about these objects even being real. We're still in that argument.

Yeah. Well, that's kind of why I... Part of it. I think that that conversation is not – we're not there yet to really actually have that conversation about – With the public, you mean? With the public for – about personal contact. I think that's – I think people – if you look at the way it's gone, we're starting from the outside about these objects even being real. We're still in that argument.

The public is hearing about it, but we're not to what they're doing here, who they've interacted with, why. There's so many things that – I mean I feel – that's why I just don't want to say too much about anything I've run into because –

The public is hearing about it, but we're not to what they're doing here, who they've interacted with, why. There's so many things that – I mean I feel – that's why I just don't want to say too much about anything I've run into because –

it's two years away it's two years away i've been actually told that like yeah you need to be quiet for about two years and i i kind of think like what's okay who's telling you you need to be quiet for two years oh man since the hearings um i mean this is just incredibly i can't even believe i'm saying this but since the hearings which is july 26 um

it's two years away it's two years away i've been actually told that like yeah you need to be quiet for about two years and i i kind of think like what's okay who's telling you you need to be quiet for two years oh man since the hearings um i mean this is just incredibly i can't even believe i'm saying this but since the hearings which is july 26 um

It doesn't seem like, I think it's been, um, As far as I'm aware, it's still happening. Just from people I know that are working on it, investigating it, even conversations with people recently. Because I've been getting a lot of people contacting me from the film. From what film? From the Rua film? From the aerial phenomenon, yeah. Right, right.

It doesn't seem like, I think it's been, um, As far as I'm aware, it's still happening. Just from people I know that are working on it, investigating it, even conversations with people recently. Because I've been getting a lot of people contacting me from the film. From what film? From the Rua film? From the aerial phenomenon, yeah. Right, right.

Yeah. Wow.

Yeah. Wow.

i had a man come to my house military man i knew he'd seen combat i could see it in his eyes and uh he threatened me for 20 minutes in my own yard not kidding basically telling me keep my mouth shut um four months later i got a physical assault not by the same man but same type of man and then four months after that that was april I got another physical assault. I got punched in the chest.

i had a man come to my house military man i knew he'd seen combat i could see it in his eyes and uh he threatened me for 20 minutes in my own yard not kidding basically telling me keep my mouth shut um four months later i got a physical assault not by the same man but same type of man and then four months after that that was april I got another physical assault. I got punched in the chest.

They knew where I was, man. It was so bizarre. And he punches me in the chest. He knew where the cameras were on the street. And then puts his arm around me real quick. I mean, I didn't know this person. He just approached me on the sidewalk, and he was the only one there. In front of your house? No, this was at a restaurant that I tend to go to.

They knew where I was, man. It was so bizarre. And he punches me in the chest. He knew where the cameras were on the street. And then puts his arm around me real quick. I mean, I didn't know this person. He just approached me on the sidewalk, and he was the only one there. In front of your house? No, this was at a restaurant that I tend to go to.

Once every week or two weeks, I'll go to a restaurant, and he put his arm around me and said, let's go for a drink. And I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you are. Pardon my English, but that was extreme. And it actually turned out that man was the same man who, I was caught on my cameras behind my house like three years before that. So I don't know. And then there's been three incidents since.

Once every week or two weeks, I'll go to a restaurant, and he put his arm around me and said, let's go for a drink. And I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you are. Pardon my English, but that was extreme. And it actually turned out that man was the same man who, I was caught on my cameras behind my house like three years before that. So I don't know. And then there's been three incidents since.

So, I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this. I can't believe it's happening. I mean, I've traveled around the world. I've gotten followed by the Zimbabwean CIO, which is our CIA. I've been confronted.

So, I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this. I can't believe it's happening. I mean, I've traveled around the world. I've gotten followed by the Zimbabwean CIO, which is our CIA. I've been confronted.

It's called the CIO. Yeah. Wow. Yep. I've had intelligence officers follow me in South Africa, Canada. How do you know they were intelligence officers following you? Well, in Zimbabwe, it's very clear. Oh. They let you know who they are. Oh. That's nice of them. I mean, when you first experience it, it's shocking. I mean, you are terrified. You realize that this person is very powerful.

It's called the CIO. Yeah. Wow. Yep. I've had intelligence officers follow me in South Africa, Canada. How do you know they were intelligence officers following you? Well, in Zimbabwe, it's very clear. Oh. They let you know who they are. Oh. That's nice of them. I mean, when you first experience it, it's shocking. I mean, you are terrified. You realize that this person is very powerful.

who they represent. And I was with somebody who knew what was happening at the time, too, because I probably wouldn't have noticed it. She did. She can tell you the story, too. So oddly, you get kind of educated about who these people are and how they operate. I just never thought I'd see it in my own country like this. For what?

who they represent. And I was with somebody who knew what was happening at the time, too, because I probably wouldn't have noticed it. She did. She can tell you the story, too. So oddly, you get kind of educated about who these people are and how they operate. I just never thought I'd see it in my own country like this. For what?

August 16th, 2023.

August 16th, 2023.

It was 5 o'clock, 5.30.

It was 5 o'clock, 5.30.

I asked him all those questions. Well, first of all, I thought he was somebody who had had an encounter himself. coming to my house to, that's what I thought. Cause he was really, he kept talking about the subject matter in a very, very smart legal way. Like he was, it was so brilliantly done. I can't even tell you.

I asked him all those questions. Well, first of all, I thought he was somebody who had had an encounter himself. coming to my house to, that's what I thought. Cause he was really, he kept talking about the subject matter in a very, very smart legal way. Like he was, it was so brilliantly done. I can't even tell you.

Yeah. And he, he, he literally made up the name as he went. And then he told me, I asked him where he worked. He said he'd been in my house before in my garage and I knew he hadn't. Because he would have seen one of my vehicles. First of all, nobody comes in my garage unless I know them. And how he described one of the vehicles in the car was if you saw it from the air.

Yeah. And he, he, he literally made up the name as he went. And then he told me, I asked him where he worked. He said he'd been in my house before in my garage and I knew he hadn't. Because he would have seen one of my vehicles. First of all, nobody comes in my garage unless I know them. And how he described one of the vehicles in the car was if you saw it from the air.

Because if he had been in that garage, he would have known that wasn't an original type of vehicle that it was. Well, okay. It looks like a Shelby Cobra, but it's not. It's a hand-built 1959 MGA with a racing, you know, Corvette drivetrain in it.

Because if he had been in that garage, he would have known that wasn't an original type of vehicle that it was. Well, okay. It looks like a Shelby Cobra, but it's not. It's a hand-built 1959 MGA with a racing, you know, Corvette drivetrain in it.

So yeah, I think it's just not being covered properly.

So yeah, I think it's just not being covered properly.

I mean, it really – I knew – anyway, it was just – yeah. Yeah. And then he told me where he worked, and I drove immediately after he left to see if he worked there. And it was a fire department he said he was with. That was one of the things he said to me very clearly. I said, what do you do? He's like, I put out fires.

I mean, it really – I knew – anyway, it was just – yeah. Yeah. And then he told me where he worked, and I drove immediately after he left to see if he worked there. And it was a fire department he said he was with. That was one of the things he said to me very clearly. I said, what do you do? He's like, I put out fires.

And I have a lot of friends that are firemen, police officers, military guys, friends of mine I grew up with. And he said, yeah, I put out fires. Sometimes people make it. Sometimes they don't. Very clearly. This is one of many threats that went on for 20 minutes. And I think the reason he stayed so long was because he probably thought, oh, this guy's not really getting it.

And I have a lot of friends that are firemen, police officers, military guys, friends of mine I grew up with. And he said, yeah, I put out fires. Sometimes people make it. Sometimes they don't. Very clearly. This is one of many threats that went on for 20 minutes. And I think the reason he stayed so long was because he probably thought, oh, this guy's not really getting it.

in a serious way i don't know why people are saying that that's what puzzles me like well i don't see it anywhere well it's not you're not seeing it in in in the public right but i i've been hearing about it for nothing has changed as far as i'm concerned um it's just not being it it is being studied through mufon and different organizations and different private you know investigate investigators

in a serious way i don't know why people are saying that that's what puzzles me like well i don't see it anywhere well it's not you're not seeing it in in in the public right but i i've been hearing about it for nothing has changed as far as i'm concerned um it's just not being it it is being studied through mufon and different organizations and different private you know investigate investigators

Which I wasn't, because I was, okay, this is somebody... He's coming to me for some reason. And, you know, first you have to see, is he drunk, right? Is this somebody with mental issues? Whatever. You go through a list and try to figure out what's going on. And it became very clear toward the end, which is why he left. And he kept saying to me, I'll be back. I'm going to be coming back often.

Which I wasn't, because I was, okay, this is somebody... He's coming to me for some reason. And, you know, first you have to see, is he drunk, right? Is this somebody with mental issues? Whatever. You go through a list and try to figure out what's going on. And it became very clear toward the end, which is why he left. And he kept saying to me, I'll be back. I'm going to be coming back often.

Very threatening, physically threatening. And this guy could have kicked my ass. On your property? Correct. And I made eye-to-eye contact. And when he would make the threats, he would be.

Very threatening, physically threatening. And this guy could have kicked my ass. On your property? Correct. And I made eye-to-eye contact. And when he would make the threats, he would be.

Not a sidearm. Here. And you could tell? I could tell. And one of the things I did right away was put my arms and my hands so he could see them. because I understood the gravity of the situation. This is somebody who's well-trained. And I'll never forget looking in his eyes. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's just like the guys I know that went to Iraq.

Not a sidearm. Here. And you could tell? I could tell. And one of the things I did right away was put my arms and my hands so he could see them. because I understood the gravity of the situation. This is somebody who's well-trained. And I'll never forget looking in his eyes. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's just like the guys I know that went to Iraq.

Guys, friends of mine that went to Iraq and Afghanistan or even Vietnam, he's no longer alive anymore. But man, they came back different and you can see it in their eyes. Some people call it the thousand yard stare. It's basically, you've seen things, other people just, you know, you've seen the extreme and it really affects you.

Guys, friends of mine that went to Iraq and Afghanistan or even Vietnam, he's no longer alive anymore. But man, they came back different and you can see it in their eyes. Some people call it the thousand yard stare. It's basically, you've seen things, other people just, you know, you've seen the extreme and it really affects you.

Yeah, no, no. There were some direct things. He knew all about the film. That was discussed. But I could tell he was walking a legal line at the same time. Like, it was really brilliant, I have to say. It was terrifying. You know, it, I mean.

Yeah, no, no. There were some direct things. He knew all about the film. That was discussed. But I could tell he was walking a legal line at the same time. Like, it was really brilliant, I have to say. It was terrifying. You know, it, I mean.

just basically that's what's been said to me for a long time. Just keep your mouth shut. That's it. Just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah.

just basically that's what's been said to me for a long time. Just keep your mouth shut. That's it. Just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah.

So I had to think about that, right? I'm like, is this about the movie? I had to really, really do a lot of deep thinking about, okay, what is this really about? Yeah. I think it's some things, I've been very aggressive in a sense, not for any nefarious purpose, but aggressive in finding, I needed to know personally what was going on, who knew about this.

So I had to think about that, right? I'm like, is this about the movie? I had to really, really do a lot of deep thinking about, okay, what is this really about? Yeah. I think it's some things, I've been very aggressive in a sense, not for any nefarious purpose, but aggressive in finding, I needed to know personally what was going on, who knew about this.

So I've been to a lot of places and I've spoken to a lot of people and I've seen a lot of stuff, seen a lot of things. So I think it's more about that than it is about the movie. Privately seeing people?

So I've been to a lot of places and I've spoken to a lot of people and I've seen a lot of stuff, seen a lot of things. So I think it's more about that than it is about the movie. Privately seeing people?

For a long time now. Like who? I can't talk about that, really. I'm not trying to be a... I just... It's only going to get me in more trouble. But there's been... Let's put it this way. There's been an awful lot of interest for quite a long time with a whole bunch of us.

For a long time now. Like who? I can't talk about that, really. I'm not trying to be a... I just... It's only going to get me in more trouble. But there's been... Let's put it this way. There's been an awful lot of interest for quite a long time with a whole bunch of us.

People have seen it. Yeah. People have come close to it. Yeah. That's no joke. Do you think it's a coincidence this happened right after the hearings? No, I think the hearings pushed it to a different level. I don't think they wanted me there, to be honest. I think they were very surprised I was there. But I've been that kind of person my whole life.

People have seen it. Yeah. People have come close to it. Yeah. That's no joke. Do you think it's a coincidence this happened right after the hearings? No, I think the hearings pushed it to a different level. I don't think they wanted me there, to be honest. I think they were very surprised I was there. But I've been that kind of person my whole life.

Like, you know, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about this. You know, and it's not like I'm not against them. I understand they're human beings just like I am. And we're all, you know, we're all in the same position. And I understand their concern. I'm concerned also. All of us should be, right, in a certain sense. But my beef is like, just come and talk to me.

Like, you know, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about this. You know, and it's not like I'm not against them. I understand they're human beings just like I am. And we're all, you know, we're all in the same position. And I understand their concern. I'm concerned also. All of us should be, right, in a certain sense. But my beef is like, just come and talk to me.

It's like, there's nothing I'm going to do. Like, we're on the same page. You just have to have more information and ability and technology to gather that information to get a bigger picture of what's happening. But it's still the same thing. You know, these Top Gun guys are flying antiques compared to that stuff. Like, there is such a huge gap between where we are and where those things are.

It's like, there's nothing I'm going to do. Like, we're on the same page. You just have to have more information and ability and technology to gather that information to get a bigger picture of what's happening. But it's still the same thing. You know, these Top Gun guys are flying antiques compared to that stuff. Like, there is such a huge gap between where we are and where those things are.

We all need to help. There's just no question. So... They may look at me as somebody who has crossed some lines because I've kind of demanded to be in the conversation. But not publicly, which is bizarre that they would go to this length.

We all need to help. There's just no question. So... They may look at me as somebody who has crossed some lines because I've kind of demanded to be in the conversation. But not publicly, which is bizarre that they would go to this length.

Since the movie?

Since the movie?

Well, I've been on a few podcasts and probably said a few things. But I've been very careful. Like, I'm not interested in hurting national security. Unfortunately, national security is bonded to this subject matter really intimately in their eyes. And I understand why. You know, they're worried about the Chinese. Right, of course. You know, and the Russians, both. Yeah.

Well, I've been on a few podcasts and probably said a few things. But I've been very careful. Like, I'm not interested in hurting national security. Unfortunately, national security is bonded to this subject matter really intimately in their eyes. And I understand why. You know, they're worried about the Chinese. Right, of course. You know, and the Russians, both. Yeah.

and wanting to maintain that advantage because everybody knows that this is the bar of this is the shiny object the bar of gold the most valuable thing in the world to us and whoever gets control of that you know is going to have a significant advantage yeah all the pub you all right

and wanting to maintain that advantage because everybody knows that this is the bar of this is the shiny object the bar of gold the most valuable thing in the world to us and whoever gets control of that you know is going to have a significant advantage yeah all the pub you all right

I don't think people realize like how disturbing these events are, to be honest with you. You know, there's a lot of people out there. I mean, just if you can imagine it, um, which I, I don't think you can actually imagine it. Um, anything close to what the reality is like, um, boy, it makes life difficult for people.

I don't think people realize like how disturbing these events are, to be honest with you. You know, there's a lot of people out there. I mean, just if you can imagine it, um, which I, I don't think you can actually imagine it. Um, anything close to what the reality is like, um, boy, it makes life difficult for people.

I just want to have a normal life, you know? And it's not been possible.

I just want to have a normal life, you know? And it's not been possible.

Different guy, but I had him on camera two years before that in my backyard. Same guy. What was he doing in your backyard? Uh, they GPS themselves on their phone and I live in the middle of a fricking huge swamp. It's like 700 acres. Nobody goes out there. Hunters, I'll see hunters once in a while. You'll never see them caught out of the woods at night.

Different guy, but I had him on camera two years before that in my backyard. Same guy. What was he doing in your backyard? Uh, they GPS themselves on their phone and I live in the middle of a fricking huge swamp. It's like 700 acres. Nobody goes out there. Hunters, I'll see hunters once in a while. You'll never see them caught out of the woods at night.

You know, bears and everything else out there. And, you know, sometimes I'll get a guy that picks mushrooms. I'll see, you know, whatever. It's no, I'm not interested. I'm looking interested in covering the wildlife out there.

You know, bears and everything else out there. And, you know, sometimes I'll get a guy that picks mushrooms. I'll see, you know, whatever. It's no, I'm not interested. I'm looking interested in covering the wildlife out there.

So I catch a lot of this stuff on camera and these guys came into my backyard, GPS themselves in, they got caught on two cameras just on the way in. It's so funny.

So I catch a lot of this stuff on camera and these guys came into my backyard, GPS themselves in, they got caught on two cameras just on the way in. It's so funny.

Have to. Had to. Just to be able to, you know, to have some semblance of safety, unfortunately. But it's served a lot of purposes.

Have to. Had to. Just to be able to, you know, to have some semblance of safety, unfortunately. But it's served a lot of purposes.

The camera goes off. There's two of them. And the shorter guy... He's like, camera. He yells out, camera. And then the guy, the same guy that assaulted me, he said, that fucking asshole. That's what he said right on camera. So the camera's far enough away from me that how would he know whose it is?

The camera goes off. There's two of them. And the shorter guy... He's like, camera. He yells out, camera. And then the guy, the same guy that assaulted me, he said, that fucking asshole. That's what he said right on camera. So the camera's far enough away from me that how would he know whose it is?

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, this wasn't, this is, yeah, no, this was quite far out into the woods on the way to the house. So, and then they spent five minutes photographing my property from, from the woods line, which was also on camera. That's caught on the home security.

No, this wasn't, this is, yeah, no, this was quite far out into the woods on the way to the house. So, and then they spent five minutes photographing my property from, from the woods line, which was also on camera. That's caught on the home security.

My attorneys have it. Okay. Yeah. Because unfortunately I've had to, to go to extreme degrees. Yeah. Have you ever talked to Danny Sheehan? Yeah, I know Danny. Has he ever helped you with any of this stuff?

My attorneys have it. Okay. Yeah. Because unfortunately I've had to, to go to extreme degrees. Yeah. Have you ever talked to Danny Sheehan? Yeah, I know Danny. Has he ever helped you with any of this stuff?

I know. He's busy. Yeah. We discussed this a long time ago, actually. Because as soon as you go public about it, you start to get the... You start to get the... the intimidation, I guess you would say. Somebody wants to keep this stuff quiet. There's no doubt about that. And I'm not the only person, by any means.

I know. He's busy. Yeah. We discussed this a long time ago, actually. Because as soon as you go public about it, you start to get the... You start to get the... the intimidation, I guess you would say. Somebody wants to keep this stuff quiet. There's no doubt about that. And I'm not the only person, by any means.

And I have to give so many people a lot of credit, um, who've spoken out in the past who are continuing to speak out, um, sharing their stories and, uh, I just don't think people realize how impactful something like that is. You can see it in the wild. I always compare it to the wildlife and wild animals and nature because we can see how another creature that runs into me

And I have to give so many people a lot of credit, um, who've spoken out in the past who are continuing to speak out, um, sharing their stories and, uh, I just don't think people realize how impactful something like that is. You can see it in the wild. I always compare it to the wildlife and wild animals and nature because we can see how another creature that runs into me

It's been interesting to hear Lou, David Grush, all these other people out there saying, you know, telling people like I'm not going to commit suicide, you know, basically telling people they've been threatened and saying that, you know, if someone's going to make my death look like an accident, I'm going to come out first and say that, you know, I did that 20 years ago on paper.

It's been interesting to hear Lou, David Grush, all these other people out there saying, you know, telling people like I'm not going to commit suicide, you know, basically telling people they've been threatened and saying that, you know, if someone's going to make my death look like an accident, I'm going to come out first and say that, you know, I did that 20 years ago on paper.

Just that same thing where you say to people, you know, my family, I wrote them a long letter like, you know, I'm not going to commit suicide. I'm healthy. I'm very careful in everything I do. Just because... There's some actions that have been taken, which David Gresh brought up, and others have as well, that are real. And unfortunately, you even have to think about that.

Just that same thing where you say to people, you know, my family, I wrote them a long letter like, you know, I'm not going to commit suicide. I'm healthy. I'm very careful in everything I do. Just because... There's some actions that have been taken, which David Gresh brought up, and others have as well, that are real. And unfortunately, you even have to think about that.

Because I'm not doing anything illegal. I haven't violated any military borders or anything like that.

Because I'm not doing anything illegal. I haven't violated any military borders or anything like that.

Yeah, I think so. I think they know that I know a fair amount of things I probably shouldn't know and they don't want me talking about it. Pretty simple. I just wish they would just tell me, like have a conversation instead of, it's like bully tactics, you know, and boy, man, they know the human being well.

Yeah, I think so. I think they know that I know a fair amount of things I probably shouldn't know and they don't want me talking about it. Pretty simple. I just wish they would just tell me, like have a conversation instead of, it's like bully tactics, you know, and boy, man, they know the human being well.

they know how to make a person scared in very particular ways it's like it's surgical like if we do this and it's it's actually brilliant if it wasn't happening to me i'd be much more fascinated and but they're you know it's incredibly can you give how much can you tell me about what this is that they don't want they don't want you to talk about publicly and they want you to keep your mouth shut about it like what is the nature of it

they know how to make a person scared in very particular ways it's like it's surgical like if we do this and it's it's actually brilliant if it wasn't happening to me i'd be much more fascinated and but they're you know it's incredibly can you give how much can you tell me about what this is that they don't want they don't want you to talk about publicly and they want you to keep your mouth shut about it like what is the nature of it

um is it about is it about nuts and bolts crafts is it about beings is it about what is it about i think it's about all of it i think it's about a lot of it i mean i'm not i don't have anything in my possession or anything like that it's just i i've seen quite a few things um

um is it about is it about nuts and bolts crafts is it about beings is it about what is it about i think it's about all of it i think it's about a lot of it i mean i'm not i don't have anything in my possession or anything like that it's just i i've seen quite a few things um

Well, it, it, I, yeah. But if you have anything of their, you know, that's exotic, you won't have it for long. Right. Right. Right. It's, uh, It's a national security secret, really.

Well, it, it, I, yeah. But if you have anything of their, you know, that's exotic, you won't have it for long. Right. Right. Right. It's, uh, It's a national security secret, really.

Yeah, I don't know. There's more out there than people think. They're just not looking hard enough in a sense, I think. I think a lot's been actually made public by a lot of brave people, even back in the 50s and 60s. I mean, my God, when this really finally comes, there's going to be award ceremonies, post, you know, posthumous ceremonies.

Yeah, I don't know. There's more out there than people think. They're just not looking hard enough in a sense, I think. I think a lot's been actually made public by a lot of brave people, even back in the 50s and 60s. I mean, my God, when this really finally comes, there's going to be award ceremonies, post, you know, posthumous ceremonies.

uh for so many people that took such brave uh risks to um to try to at least evolve us not tell us everything but at least to give us like some hints like yeah this is this is what you got coming um and what's why are those stories not talked about anymore what like they're there what are they like what can you give us an example of one

uh for so many people that took such brave uh risks to um to try to at least evolve us not tell us everything but at least to give us like some hints like yeah this is this is what you got coming um and what's why are those stories not talked about anymore what like they're there what are they like what can you give us an example of one

Well, look at some of the documentaries in the 1950s that were done on this topic. Some of the brave soldiers, majors, or, you know, from all different branches who came forward. Kehoe. I mean, you know...

Well, look at some of the documentaries in the 1950s that were done on this topic. Some of the brave soldiers, majors, or, you know, from all different branches who came forward. Kehoe. I mean, you know...

so many brave people that um that were trying to tell us and nothing has changed like today we think oh ufos is a new thing uh well why don't you watch some of those documentaries from the 50s right it's all the same it's the same thing it's just people have decided time after time not to tell us and um I mean, you know, what do we do?

so many brave people that um that were trying to tell us and nothing has changed like today we think oh ufos is a new thing uh well why don't you watch some of those documentaries from the 50s right it's all the same it's the same thing it's just people have decided time after time not to tell us and um I mean, you know, what do we do?

in the woods which has happened many times and how they react to me you know particularly when you're out in far out places in Alaska where they don't see a lot of human beings or even in Africa where human beings are kind of rare you know not everywhere but in certain locations um

in the woods which has happened many times and how they react to me you know particularly when you're out in far out places in Alaska where they don't see a lot of human beings or even in Africa where human beings are kind of rare you know not everywhere but in certain locations um

I think the exciting part, because you can get pretty hopeless about that. Like, oh, they're never going to tell us.

I think the exciting part, because you can get pretty hopeless about that. Like, oh, they're never going to tell us.

But there's been just some real, I think it has to do with, you know, where we're at, where things are at. The public distrust everywhere because the... Yeah. And here's the powers that be. Yeah.

But there's been just some real, I think it has to do with, you know, where we're at, where things are at. The public distrust everywhere because the... Yeah. And here's the powers that be. Yeah.

I think it would be very tenuous. You've heard of Project Bluebeam, that very project to mimic this phenomenon for that same purpose. I think a vast majority of people would believe that that was made up bullshit. Today, probably. I don't know. I haven't done the surveys. People don't trust the government. That's what I'm trying to get at. That's the problem. That's the problem.

I think it would be very tenuous. You've heard of Project Bluebeam, that very project to mimic this phenomenon for that same purpose. I think a vast majority of people would believe that that was made up bullshit. Today, probably. I don't know. I haven't done the surveys. People don't trust the government. That's what I'm trying to get at. That's the problem. That's the problem.

And I think if you really want to look down the road, I think the reason people don't trust the government on a big scale is because they have not told us the truth about something very elemental. that even a lot of the indigenous cultures have known for thousands of years, they haven't been honest about it. Like, you know, for a long time, I'm like, who's got a great handle on this?

And I think if you really want to look down the road, I think the reason people don't trust the government on a big scale is because they have not told us the truth about something very elemental. that even a lot of the indigenous cultures have known for thousands of years, they haven't been honest about it. Like, you know, for a long time, I'm like, who's got a great handle on this?

Yep. The 30th, actually. Oh, it's the 30th anniversary. 30th anniversary. And it was yesterday, September 16th.

Yep. The 30th, actually. Oh, it's the 30th anniversary. 30th anniversary. And it was yesterday, September 16th.

Who do I go to after what I've seen myself? Who do I go to for advice? It hasn't been here. I've gone to chiefs and medicine men in other countries and here in the United States. they know more about it than anybody else. From an overall standpoint, there are people in our country that have a great technical understanding of what we're dealing with, which is mind-blowing. What do you mean?

Who do I go to after what I've seen myself? Who do I go to for advice? It hasn't been here. I've gone to chiefs and medicine men in other countries and here in the United States. they know more about it than anybody else. From an overall standpoint, there are people in our country that have a great technical understanding of what we're dealing with, which is mind-blowing. What do you mean?

People that have a great technical understanding? Because I really do believe we have recovered their stuff. Oh, okay. Too many people I know that are close enough to know that. And this has nothing to do with the UFO circle. I have my own circle of friends that are just people I grew up with and people I went to school with who are in the military.

People that have a great technical understanding? Because I really do believe we have recovered their stuff. Oh, okay. Too many people I know that are close enough to know that. And this has nothing to do with the UFO circle. I have my own circle of friends that are just people I grew up with and people I went to school with who are in the military.

And they have really cool jobs or they're with contractors. So anyway, the good part, it is becoming normal conversation now. It's never been like that for me. It's just normal conversation.

And they have really cool jobs or they're with contractors. So anyway, the good part, it is becoming normal conversation now. It's never been like that for me. It's just normal conversation.

and they have a very strong reaction of fear uh fight flight or freeze you know one of those things and i've experienced it a lot so i think human beings actually go through a very similar process with these creatures um saying like maybe there's some sort of uh internal processing that has to happen before somebody can actually talk about this especially publicly yeah Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

and they have a very strong reaction of fear uh fight flight or freeze you know one of those things and i've experienced it a lot so i think human beings actually go through a very similar process with these creatures um saying like maybe there's some sort of uh internal processing that has to happen before somebody can actually talk about this especially publicly yeah Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's not. We're not there yet. That's just why. I feel like I need a couple. Not me, but actually I'd rather just not.

No, that's not. We're not there yet. That's just why. I feel like I need a couple. Not me, but actually I'd rather just not.

Well, you know, bears spend an awful lot of time on two legs, way more than people think.

Well, you know, bears spend an awful lot of time on two legs, way more than people think.

walking upright i've seen it and i've yeah but anyway well i know it's just it's just i don't know i i don't try i try not to i think the most important thing because hey these this this species could have evolved here that's possible could be time travel i'm not excluding anything i just i've heard so many ideas pitched and i think it's great we need to do that absolutely um

walking upright i've seen it and i've yeah but anyway well i know it's just it's just i don't know i i don't try i try not to i think the most important thing because hey these this this species could have evolved here that's possible could be time travel i'm not excluding anything i just i've heard so many ideas pitched and i think it's great we need to do that absolutely um

But the most important thing for me and a lot of other people is just let's just admit that they're here first. It doesn't matter where they're from. We'll figure that out. And we need as many scientists like Michael. I think I've met him a few times. Michael Masters. Yeah. And I think it's great what he's doing. And everyone is. I mean –

But the most important thing for me and a lot of other people is just let's just admit that they're here first. It doesn't matter where they're from. We'll figure that out. And we need as many scientists like Michael. I think I've met him a few times. Michael Masters. Yeah. And I think it's great what he's doing. And everyone is. I mean –

I mean, it is very, very hard to go public. I know quite a few people that have and the consequences you pay for that, you know. Unfortunately, in the past, there was a lot of ridicule. being diagnosed as crazy or schizophrenic or bipolar. The list goes on. It's been going on since the 70s, really, is when they started to try to medically diagnose these people.

I mean, it is very, very hard to go public. I know quite a few people that have and the consequences you pay for that, you know. Unfortunately, in the past, there was a lot of ridicule. being diagnosed as crazy or schizophrenic or bipolar. The list goes on. It's been going on since the 70s, really, is when they started to try to medically diagnose these people.

Jeez, there's so many people that are just doing incredible work.

Jeez, there's so many people that are just doing incredible work.

It makes a lot of sense. It's... No, it's a great hypothesis. I... I mean, our planet's in trouble, period. It doesn't matter. I'll just make an argument. If they are traveling back to the future, they're a little late. They should have done that. I mean, from the future, they're a little late because we're in more and more serious trouble.

It makes a lot of sense. It's... No, it's a great hypothesis. I... I mean, our planet's in trouble, period. It doesn't matter. I'll just make an argument. If they are traveling back to the future, they're a little late. They should have done that. I mean, from the future, they're a little late because we're in more and more serious trouble.

But you also have to understand another species, and this is also theoretical or speculative, they may be looking at us like we do. I spent a lot of time in Africa with primatologists and all these other wildlife people and organizations, and they – You know, they monitor the wildlife. They care about them. They, you know, care for them to a certain level.

But you also have to understand another species, and this is also theoretical or speculative, they may be looking at us like we do. I spent a lot of time in Africa with primatologists and all these other wildlife people and organizations, and they – You know, they monitor the wildlife. They care about them. They, you know, care for them to a certain level.

So the crazy part, these are witnesses to something. And how they've been handled and treated is completely wrong. It's really... I don't know what to say about that.

So the crazy part, these are witnesses to something. And how they've been handled and treated is completely wrong. It's really... I don't know what to say about that.

And then when they get out of hand or their environment starts to suffer from too many elephants, so to speak, they mow a whole – they mow forests down. You would not believe the destruction. Elephants do? Yeah. Yeah. They destroy, they devastate an area. And then what they have to do is they'll shut that area off and move them into a whole nother area. We're talking sometimes millions of acres.

And then when they get out of hand or their environment starts to suffer from too many elephants, so to speak, they mow a whole – they mow forests down. You would not believe the destruction. Elephants do? Yeah. Yeah. They destroy, they devastate an area. And then what they have to do is they'll shut that area off and move them into a whole nother area. We're talking sometimes millions of acres.

They'll shut off a quarter of it and let it regrow. Right. Because the elephants have devastated it. And then they call them to keep them, you know, their populations to a certain... You know, when a species overpopulates, you start to get more disease. So anyway, I just see it that... I think we're just in a very critical place in our planets.

They'll shut off a quarter of it and let it regrow. Right. Because the elephants have devastated it. And then they call them to keep them, you know, their populations to a certain... You know, when a species overpopulates, you start to get more disease. So anyway, I just see it that... I think we're just in a very critical place in our planets.

And I think maybe another species like we do values this place for maybe us, but it's probably not just us. There's millions and millions of other species. And maybe there's not a lot of that out there, plus we're a resource. We have a lot of resources here, chemical, genetic, just a ton. So I don't know.

And I think maybe another species like we do values this place for maybe us, but it's probably not just us. There's millions and millions of other species. And maybe there's not a lot of that out there, plus we're a resource. We have a lot of resources here, chemical, genetic, just a ton. So I don't know.

Again, I think that we have to just realize that it's happening at all before we can really start to get to.

Again, I think that we have to just realize that it's happening at all before we can really start to get to.

craft with these little weird spindly alien beings that's a good question it's a really good question yeah i haven't had anything like that but but i've heard it um that raises a lot of questions why why would that be have you ever heard any uh interesting ideas why from anybody you know I think the – well, I've spoken to people about it.

craft with these little weird spindly alien beings that's a good question it's a really good question yeah i haven't had anything like that but but i've heard it um that raises a lot of questions why why would that be have you ever heard any uh interesting ideas why from anybody you know I think the – well, I've spoken to people about it.

They feel like there's been some kind of agreement that was made a long time ago between this dominant species and us. And there's kind of like an educational program going. There's a mutual agreement of sharing to help us evolve and then allowing them to do certain things. I've heard that for years. I never thought that was true. There's a lot of stuff I'm like, ah, that's just crazy.

They feel like there's been some kind of agreement that was made a long time ago between this dominant species and us. And there's kind of like an educational program going. There's a mutual agreement of sharing to help us evolve and then allowing them to do certain things. I've heard that for years. I never thought that was true. There's a lot of stuff I'm like, ah, that's just crazy.

But when you hear it over long periods of time, and then you have conversations with certain people that are, in a place of power or whatever, and you hear that same story, you start to take it seriously. I used to think our government didn't know about this. And it was a bit of a shock to find out that they did. And actually I felt hope, you know, when you deal with it for a long time.

But when you hear it over long periods of time, and then you have conversations with certain people that are, in a place of power or whatever, and you hear that same story, you start to take it seriously. I used to think our government didn't know about this. And it was a bit of a shock to find out that they did. And actually I felt hope, you know, when you deal with it for a long time.

You hope that your fellow man, somebody in our species, is on it. And they are, which is actually a plus. For all of us, really. Because the biggest fear I had was like, oh, no, no one really gets it. And no one's paying attention. But yeah, there's a lot of those types of things in this phenomenon that...

You hope that your fellow man, somebody in our species, is on it. And they are, which is actually a plus. For all of us, really. Because the biggest fear I had was like, oh, no, no one really gets it. And no one's paying attention. But yeah, there's a lot of those types of things in this phenomenon that...

are truly unbelievable to me you know but i've seen enough to say yeah i can't count that out i can't count that out um gary nolan has done amazing things i think he's a great mind here and as is michael uh masters and a lot of these people are just you know have you ever talked to gary did you ever scan your brain Um, I've talked to Gary twice. No, no, we haven't got to that point.

are truly unbelievable to me you know but i've seen enough to say yeah i can't count that out i can't count that out um gary nolan has done amazing things i think he's a great mind here and as is michael uh masters and a lot of these people are just you know have you ever talked to gary did you ever scan your brain Um, I've talked to Gary twice. No, no, we haven't got to that point.

Cause he's been basically even focusing on military, um, military people that this has happened to.

Cause he's been basically even focusing on military, um, military people that this has happened to.

So that's the other interest. Just plainly, the interest that these things have in people they've taken are your genitals and your brain. Pretty much everything else as far as I know, they're not that interested in.

So that's the other interest. Just plainly, the interest that these things have in people they've taken are your genitals and your brain. Pretty much everything else as far as I know, they're not that interested in.

I'm sure it came from the experience.

I'm sure it came from the experience.

No doubt. Yeah. In my experience. Yeah. So you get influenced by something that is not supposed to exist. And you have to adapt.

No doubt. Yeah. In my experience. Yeah. So you get influenced by something that is not supposed to exist. And you have to adapt.

there's nothing like that that i'm aware of better than any kind of drug you could ever take it's harsh yeah it's harsh um and then you you know it instills a bit of fear you know the reality is when you see something like this you are not gonna be happily waddling along saying, yeah, I want to go for a ride. You know, take me, take that. That's not the truth.

there's nothing like that that i'm aware of better than any kind of drug you could ever take it's harsh yeah it's harsh um and then you you know it instills a bit of fear you know the reality is when you see something like this you are not gonna be happily waddling along saying, yeah, I want to go for a ride. You know, take me, take that. That's not the truth.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think there is an effort. That's the odd part. But to think that it's going to be easy and that you're not going to encounter your primal instincts is, uh, it just happened. It's not that you're trying to think it there's like primal instincts in you where you're like a caged animal. Yeah, essentially. And you respond like a wild animal to them.

I think there is an effort. That's the odd part. But to think that it's going to be easy and that you're not going to encounter your primal instincts is, uh, it just happened. It's not that you're trying to think it there's like primal instincts in you where you're like a caged animal. Yeah, essentially. And you respond like a wild animal to them.

And I think it's extremely difficult to confront that and to get over that. It's not easy in my experience. I haven't – I just have a hard time with people. I've heard it a few times and I'm not trying to hurt anybody. It's just not been my experience that, yeah, I went with them and it's like, Hang on a second. So what about that first chemical dump that happens when you see them?

And I think it's extremely difficult to confront that and to get over that. It's not easy in my experience. I haven't – I just have a hard time with people. I've heard it a few times and I'm not trying to hurt anybody. It's just not been my experience that, yeah, I went with them and it's like, Hang on a second. So what about that first chemical dump that happens when you see them?

What about having absolutely no control of the situation? You're okay with that? Like completely no control and they're physical and they're real. And not only that, there's a whole bunch of other things going on that we are just not used to. So anyway, it's just – there's another aspect of this too is if you don't – a lot of times these people are anesthetized in some way.

What about having absolutely no control of the situation? You're okay with that? Like completely no control and they're physical and they're real. And not only that, there's a whole bunch of other things going on that we are just not used to. So anyway, it's just – there's another aspect of this too is if you don't – a lot of times these people are anesthetized in some way.

So it takes away that – your ability to feel essentially, get into that primal mode or flight and freeze or freeze and –

So it takes away that – your ability to feel essentially, get into that primal mode or flight and freeze or freeze and –

If you kind of like, I haven't had anything, any, anything remotely like that. So I just feel I've heard it from enough people. Friends of mine have been through this to realize something. There's something to it. I just said nothing like that. Yeah. I think that would even make it more damaging in some sense to know that part of your own species is involved in it. Yeah.

If you kind of like, I haven't had anything, any, anything remotely like that. So I just feel I've heard it from enough people. Friends of mine have been through this to realize something. There's something to it. I just said nothing like that. Yeah. I think that would even make it more damaging in some sense to know that part of your own species is involved in it. Yeah.

It's hard enough just with that. But had a human being been in the room with me, I would have been running over if I could. I mean, this is another thing. All you want to do is be around another human being when you're around them. You want to be around your own kind. It's a very, very bizarre emotion feeling.

It's hard enough just with that. But had a human being been in the room with me, I would have been running over if I could. I mean, this is another thing. All you want to do is be around another human being when you're around them. You want to be around your own kind. It's a very, very bizarre emotion feeling.

Yeah. I think about those kids a lot.

Yeah. I think about those kids a lot.

No, I don't think they are. I think they start when you're young.

No, I don't think they are. I think they start when you're young.

I was told that they basically stop when you hit your 40s because you're kind of out of your prime, so to speak. Yeah. and a lot of the people I know who've been through this, I got to talk about them first. I mean, there's so many people out there that have, they're, you know, they're not public, you know, they're just trying to, to survive.

I was told that they basically stop when you hit your 40s because you're kind of out of your prime, so to speak. Yeah. and a lot of the people I know who've been through this, I got to talk about them first. I mean, there's so many people out there that have, they're, you know, they're not public, you know, they're just trying to, to survive.

Um, they've been studied, studied again against their will sometimes. And, uh, they get burnt out, you know, the, I really hope that day will come, and I don't think it's anytime soon, where people will be able to be recognized, I guess you could say, and that we get the knowledge that they have. Because I see it. Some of these people are in their 70s, 80s. I'm like, oh, my God.

Um, they've been studied, studied again against their will sometimes. And, uh, they get burnt out, you know, the, I really hope that day will come, and I don't think it's anytime soon, where people will be able to be recognized, I guess you could say, and that we get the knowledge that they have. Because I see it. Some of these people are in their 70s, 80s. I'm like, oh, my God.

When they go, so does what they know. That means we have to relearn it or whatever. I think a lot of people have a bit different pieces of the puzzle.

When they go, so does what they know. That means we have to relearn it or whatever. I think a lot of people have a bit different pieces of the puzzle.

Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I was that way when I was younger, I thought. I was raised Protestant Christian, and I put it into that category for a while, of good and evil, and I was just angry. But over time, I started to look at nature, wildlife,

Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I was that way when I was younger, I thought. I was raised Protestant Christian, and I put it into that category for a while, of good and evil, and I was just angry. But over time, I started to look at nature, wildlife,

uh i grew up in forests so i was very familiar with it and it just became clear to me like it is just another species you know it's not you know i can't label and it really helped me a lot to realize okay this is just another animal that's extremely evolved right um that can kind of do whatever it wants it's very much an apex uh creature and uh

uh i grew up in forests so i was very familiar with it and it just became clear to me like it is just another species you know it's not you know i can't label and it really helped me a lot to realize okay this is just another animal that's extremely evolved right um that can kind of do whatever it wants it's very much an apex uh creature and uh

And I'm not as important or powerful to them as I would like to think. And that's been the kind of humbling thing that happens also is realizing your place in a sense. Yeah. So I don't even think about it. This is beyond religion. This is really science. And maybe our religions in the past have misidentified this phenomenon. Right. Totally.

And I'm not as important or powerful to them as I would like to think. And that's been the kind of humbling thing that happens also is realizing your place in a sense. Yeah. So I don't even think about it. This is beyond religion. This is really science. And maybe our religions in the past have misidentified this phenomenon. Right. Totally.

Because it's all about the things from the sky and there's just – I think we're all learning a lot more about that as we grow. I just hope we don't get in an argument on that level because it doesn't need to go there. I don't see these things as evil, and I don't see them as good. They are just another creature that has, just like us, we have our good sides and our bad sides.

Because it's all about the things from the sky and there's just – I think we're all learning a lot more about that as we grow. I just hope we don't get in an argument on that level because it doesn't need to go there. I don't see these things as evil, and I don't see them as good. They are just another creature that has, just like us, we have our good sides and our bad sides.

We're doing things for ourselves, and we're doing things for others. Yeah. So... Yeah, that was actually a very important understanding for me to come to that. And other people also, I think, have – you have to wrestle with it.

We're doing things for ourselves, and we're doing things for others. Yeah. So... Yeah, that was actually a very important understanding for me to come to that. And other people also, I think, have – you have to wrestle with it.

I mean, what is that? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, nothing against him.

I mean, what is that? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, nothing against him.

Yeah, see, so that's – but if you listen to different people who have come forward from the DOD or the different agencies, the higher level guys, that's what they've been saying, that there's a conflict within the –

Yeah, see, so that's – but if you listen to different people who have come forward from the DOD or the different agencies, the higher level guys, that's what they've been saying, that there's a conflict within the –

intelligence communities and then the contractors that there's a side who views this as a religious thing and there are a side that looks at the science of it and really wants it to come out because they they and i think i've come to that same place it's like well let's just deal with it do they really does the the faction that views it as a religious thing do they really view it as a religious thing or do they want to do they think it's important for that narrative to be out there

intelligence communities and then the contractors that there's a side who views this as a religious thing and there are a side that looks at the science of it and really wants it to come out because they they and i think i've come to that same place it's like well let's just deal with it do they really does the the faction that views it as a religious thing do they really view it as a religious thing or do they want to do they think it's important for that narrative to be out there

Yeah. And those are valid concerns for sure. And I can see why they'd be concerned about that. I mean, I've had it the same way. That was a big deal for me was to have it confirmed by the intelligence community. And that happened in 2021. For real. But there was no implication.

Yeah. And those are valid concerns for sure. And I can see why they'd be concerned about that. I mean, I've had it the same way. That was a big deal for me was to have it confirmed by the intelligence community. And that happened in 2021. For real. But there was no implication.

That I had really been going through what I was going through personally.

That I had really been going through what I was going through personally.

Conversation. I can't go too, but I can't say anything. But I knew they were the real deal. And I appreciated that actually. It made a big difference for me. You know, when I got that confirmation. This is wild. Well, probably not for a lot of people. But I'm in the circle, so people know this. Really? Yeah, people know. I mean, I'm probably not the only one it's happened to.

Conversation. I can't go too, but I can't say anything. But I knew they were the real deal. And I appreciated that actually. It made a big difference for me. You know, when I got that confirmation. This is wild. Well, probably not for a lot of people. But I'm in the circle, so people know this. Really? Yeah, people know. I mean, I'm probably not the only one it's happened to.

Yeah. What they've gone through, what they're going through.

Yeah. What they've gone through, what they're going through.

You're taken aback by that.

You're taken aback by that.

Huge for me.

Huge for me.

Because I could find him. On like LinkedIn or something? Correct. No, no, no. I could look him up. Huge resume. I knew who he worked for. There was no reason for him to say what he said. And he actually gave examples. When you go through this your entire life and you're questioning your own sanity around it.

Because I could find him. On like LinkedIn or something? Correct. No, no, no. I could look him up. Huge resume. I knew who he worked for. There was no reason for him to say what he said. And he actually gave examples. When you go through this your entire life and you're questioning your own sanity around it.

I know who you're talking about. I had a conversation with him too.

I know who you're talking about. I had a conversation with him too.

I did.

I did.

You did?

You did?

Wow. No, he was – I also got confirmation from him in a big sense too. There were several people actually. But it was one in particular who sat me down. We left our phones, went out to a back couch, back out of this whole area. Had a private conversation and I laughed through a lot of it because I thought he was joking. And he said, no, no, really. You really have to listen to this.

Wow. No, he was – I also got confirmation from him in a big sense too. There were several people actually. But it was one in particular who sat me down. We left our phones, went out to a back couch, back out of this whole area. Had a private conversation and I laughed through a lot of it because I thought he was joking. And he said, no, no, really. You really have to listen to this.

And he said quite a few things.

And he said quite a few things.

Well, there's sort of been in the audience essentially watching this happen, knowing it's real for a long time. So I think in some of these people I've met that they feel good finally that they're doing the right thing.

Well, there's sort of been in the audience essentially watching this happen, knowing it's real for a long time. So I think in some of these people I've met that they feel good finally that they're doing the right thing.

I think it's a mixture. Same with everybody. It's a mixture of awe and fear. And I think that's true because this could literally change all of our lives in a positive way and help rescue us in a sense. Yeah. I hope so. But it's also terrifying. But I feel like those people I've interacted with feel like they're getting a weight off their chest. Like that this is something they feel good about.

I think it's a mixture. Same with everybody. It's a mixture of awe and fear. And I think that's true because this could literally change all of our lives in a positive way and help rescue us in a sense. Yeah. I hope so. But it's also terrifying. But I feel like those people I've interacted with feel like they're getting a weight off their chest. Like that this is something they feel good about.

Wow, man. I really didn't want to talk about it. Because it's not about me. Right. It's about all of us in a sense. I've been trying to help bring this to people's awareness. I did it for For my entire life. And still am. And I'm trying to. Yeah, it's not been easy. That's for sure. And I didn't really want to talk about it. I think a lot has happened since our last interview.

Wow, man. I really didn't want to talk about it. Because it's not about me. Right. It's about all of us in a sense. I've been trying to help bring this to people's awareness. I did it for For my entire life. And still am. And I'm trying to. Yeah, it's not been easy. That's for sure. And I didn't really want to talk about it. I think a lot has happened since our last interview.

This is not an operation where they're, you know, making here we're going to do this to do this. There's heart involved and I can tell they actually care. And that's a relief. That's been a relief. I can't believe what's been happening in the last year. It's really...

This is not an operation where they're, you know, making here we're going to do this to do this. There's heart involved and I can tell they actually care. And that's a relief. That's been a relief. I can't believe what's been happening in the last year. It's really...

Yeah. I mean, it's been going on for, but just this past year has been unbelievable. How so? Just all that's happened, the threats, the people I've met with. Oh, the threats, yeah. Yeah. And the conversations I've had. Um, it's hard to keep up with it. And I'm trying, I also have to live my life and work on my next film.

Yeah. I mean, it's been going on for, but just this past year has been unbelievable. How so? Just all that's happened, the threats, the people I've met with. Oh, the threats, yeah. Yeah. And the conversations I've had. Um, it's hard to keep up with it. And I'm trying, I also have to live my life and work on my next film.

And it's like, I spend, I've been spending a lot of time just like taking in what's happening. Cause I, it's hard to, um, it's hard to believe. And you do have to vet everybody. You know, you really do. You have to, um, And be very careful what you believe and who it's coming from and what their, if there is an agenda, what is their agenda.

And it's like, I spend, I've been spending a lot of time just like taking in what's happening. Cause I, it's hard to, um, it's hard to believe. And you do have to vet everybody. You know, you really do. You have to, um, And be very careful what you believe and who it's coming from and what their, if there is an agenda, what is their agenda.

But yeah, it's just, and I know I'm not the only one going through this. A lot of people are. And I have to always remember, I'm kind of on the edge of the curve, the cutting edge of it, essentially, because I demand to be there because it's affected me and affected a lot of people I love and know and everybody in the movie and everything I've done, too.

But yeah, it's just, and I know I'm not the only one going through this. A lot of people are. And I have to always remember, I'm kind of on the edge of the curve, the cutting edge of it, essentially, because I demand to be there because it's affected me and affected a lot of people I love and know and everybody in the movie and everything I've done, too.

I thought that would come way down the line. But no, it was like the first thing. Oh, man. That was a shock.

I thought that would come way down the line. But no, it was like the first thing. Oh, man. That was a shock.

Yeah. I mean, how do you feel about it? Like even hearing what I'm saying, is it really, is it, is it set your meters off?

Yeah. I mean, how do you feel about it? Like even hearing what I'm saying, is it really, is it, is it set your meters off?

I agree. That's why it's, yeah, that's gotta be carefully. Carefully done. But yeah, I have no question. I mentioned it. I had a lot of conversations on it lately. I mentioned it to somebody recently. When I was in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, particularly South Africa, I went to the Air Force Base, a couple of them, to say, hey, can I get in? And speak with you.

I agree. That's why it's, yeah, that's gotta be carefully. Carefully done. But yeah, I have no question. I mentioned it. I had a lot of conversations on it lately. I mentioned it to somebody recently. When I was in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, particularly South Africa, I went to the Air Force Base, a couple of them, to say, hey, can I get in? And speak with you.

And amazingly, I thought they would just stop me at the door. I told them what I was doing, documentary on this issue. And the commander said, yeah, come on in. He invited me into this Air Force base, the main building. And he was a commander. He brought a lieutenant colonel with him, female, blonde hair. And, you know, I asked him, do you guys see this stuff?

And amazingly, I thought they would just stop me at the door. I told them what I was doing, documentary on this issue. And the commander said, yeah, come on in. He invited me into this Air Force base, the main building. And he was a commander. He brought a lieutenant colonel with him, female, blonde hair. And, you know, I asked him, do you guys see this stuff?

What do you guys, do you know about this? And like, oh, yeah. They were just very matter-of-fact about it. And I've also found this in South America, another military I was speaking with. And he said to me, he said, you know, we can tell on radar the difference between the American version, the Russian version, and the real thing. What? Yeah. That's exactly what I said.

What do you guys, do you know about this? And like, oh, yeah. They were just very matter-of-fact about it. And I've also found this in South America, another military I was speaking with. And he said to me, he said, you know, we can tell on radar the difference between the American version, the Russian version, and the real thing. What? Yeah. That's exactly what I said.

You know, we had the hearings and then things got really crazy after that. Yeah. And what.

You know, we had the hearings and then things got really crazy after that. Yeah. And what.

I was like, what are you talking about? I had never heard that before. Oh, my God. Yeah, and the lieutenant colonel's right there, and I'm looking at her, and I'm like, are these people bullshitting me? Because, you know, I didn't know. And I'm like, oh, no, this is, they're really, for real. So I was there for probably 20 minutes, and they were sharing this stuff with me.

I was like, what are you talking about? I had never heard that before. Oh, my God. Yeah, and the lieutenant colonel's right there, and I'm looking at her, and I'm like, are these people bullshitting me? Because, you know, I didn't know. And I'm like, oh, no, this is, they're really, for real. So I was there for probably 20 minutes, and they were sharing this stuff with me.

Well, I had been on the radio over there trying to bring out the aerial witnesses and other witnesses in Africa. Because when I was doing aerial, I was also interviewing tons of other witnesses from other events as well. So I think they may have known, they had heard I was in town. It's not a very... You know, if you're in the media in Africa, people know, you know.

Well, I had been on the radio over there trying to bring out the aerial witnesses and other witnesses in Africa. Because when I was doing aerial, I was also interviewing tons of other witnesses from other events as well. So I think they may have known, they had heard I was in town. It's not a very... You know, if you're in the media in Africa, people know, you know.

So, yeah, that kind of, well, it makes me think about what you're talking about, that Dewey, probably. We have great engineers. We've been doing a lot of Townsend Brown, you know. electro-gravitic work for quite a long time. So it wouldn't surprise me if we have operational vehicles. And according to certain people I've talked to, like him, and apparently we do.

So, yeah, that kind of, well, it makes me think about what you're talking about, that Dewey, probably. We have great engineers. We've been doing a lot of Townsend Brown, you know. electro-gravitic work for quite a long time. So it wouldn't surprise me if we have operational vehicles. And according to certain people I've talked to, like him, and apparently we do.

But here's the question, like on this whole phenomenon, this stuff's been flying around for a long time. Since at least World War II that we've been seeing it. And it's no different than what we're seeing today. It's the same behavior, same everything.

But here's the question, like on this whole phenomenon, this stuff's been flying around for a long time. Since at least World War II that we've been seeing it. And it's no different than what we're seeing today. It's the same behavior, same everything.

So that tells you it's likely not us that did this unless there was some breakaway civilization that somehow managed to engineer and keep it completely separate from everybody else back before World War I, World War II. That's a little more hard for me to believe. And this phenomena has been reported all the way back to the early stages of humanity in one way or another. Right.

So that tells you it's likely not us that did this unless there was some breakaway civilization that somehow managed to engineer and keep it completely separate from everybody else back before World War I, World War II. That's a little more hard for me to believe. And this phenomena has been reported all the way back to the early stages of humanity in one way or another. Right.

Yeah, they're military guys that have a great engineering background. They have great engineering. Well, they build toys to scare people. What a cool job. It's like they work at the Halloween shop. That's their job. And I would love to have that job actually, but it's not so fun when you're at the other end of it. No, I knew they were military. There was no question about that or former military.

Yeah, they're military guys that have a great engineering background. They have great engineering. Well, they build toys to scare people. What a cool job. It's like they work at the Halloween shop. That's their job. And I would love to have that job actually, but it's not so fun when you're at the other end of it. No, I knew they were military. There was no question about that or former military.

And when I started to, you know, call around everywhere and, you know, through channels, friends, you know, attorneys, stuff like that, I started to – I had people look at the images of these people and they started to identify, you know, what likely – Who they were and where they were from. So, yeah, likely contractors. That's pretty much everybody feels that way. They're military contractors.

And when I started to, you know, call around everywhere and, you know, through channels, friends, you know, attorneys, stuff like that, I started to – I had people look at the images of these people and they started to identify, you know, what likely – Who they were and where they were from. So, yeah, likely contractors. That's pretty much everybody feels that way. They're military contractors.

Private aerospace.

Private aerospace.

I know.

I know.

Correct. I mean, I have nothing against those people. Yeah. I didn't do anything. I mean, what did I do that?

Correct. I mean, I have nothing against those people. Yeah. I didn't do anything. I mean, what did I do that?

Correct. Correct. Do with that what you will. Yeah. I'm not the only one by far. It's actually pretty stunning that they're coming to me. I can understand why they're coming to Lou and Gary and all those other people. I get that. But why are they coming to some? Why are they coming to me?

Correct. Correct. Do with that what you will. Yeah. I'm not the only one by far. It's actually pretty stunning that they're coming to me. I can understand why they're coming to Lou and Gary and all those other people. I get that. But why are they coming to some? Why are they coming to me?

Yeah, I suspect that, too. You know, in one of these conversations recently, you know, I'm like, why are they doing this? And somebody I...

Yeah, I suspect that, too. You know, in one of these conversations recently, you know, I'm like, why are they doing this? And somebody I...

respect a lot it said to me well you're a loose cannon they consider you a loose cannon they can't control you you know you're independent and that kind of rang true to me you know um that i can understand like that there's nobody that's got their hands in my life to to be able to shift me in a different direction even though i've been very good not to cross lines you know but i still think that's likely

respect a lot it said to me well you're a loose cannon they consider you a loose cannon they can't control you you know you're independent and that kind of rang true to me you know um that i can understand like that there's nobody that's got their hands in my life to to be able to shift me in a different direction even though i've been very good not to cross lines you know but i still think that's likely

They don't have control of me and they're worried if I say something that may not... I mean, I may have said it in this interview. I hope not. I hope not. I'm trying not to... I'm not adversarial. That's not the intent.

They don't have control of me and they're worried if I say something that may not... I mean, I may have said it in this interview. I hope not. I hope not. I'm trying not to... I'm not adversarial. That's not the intent.

Yeah. So I was just debating whether I should, I mean, I don't want to get anybody in trouble. Um, it was just very strange. There were a couple of people that showed up. My assistant said, Hey, the military's here. I'm like, really?

Yeah. So I was just debating whether I should, I mean, I don't want to get anybody in trouble. Um, it was just very strange. There were a couple of people that showed up. My assistant said, Hey, the military's here. I'm like, really?

Yeah, I got there. I just got to tell you. I got there. Oh, you were there? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I sure as hell was going to be there. I sure as hell was going to be there. So when I heard about it, a good friend of mine told me it was happening, and I drove, I think, from Tennessee, where I was screening the film, all night or whatever. I forget. And I got there, and I got in line the night before.

Yeah, I got there. I just got to tell you. I got there. Oh, you were there? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. I sure as hell was going to be there. I sure as hell was going to be there. So when I heard about it, a good friend of mine told me it was happening, and I drove, I think, from Tennessee, where I was screening the film, all night or whatever. I forget. And I got there, and I got in line the night before.

Uh, But it's kind of the training and the physique and the type of training you go through. That's part of it. T-shirts, authentic ones.

Uh, But it's kind of the training and the physique and the type of training you go through. That's part of it. T-shirts, authentic ones.

Well, yeah. You can buy a Space Force T-shirt. But the real ones, which are very difficult to get, are very different.

Well, yeah. You can buy a Space Force T-shirt. But the real ones, which are very difficult to get, are very different.

Oh, yeah, but they're authentic. You can tell the difference. Yeah, you can tell the difference. But I didn't notice it. Anyway, it was a very interesting experience. People that were with me kind of witnessed, saw it all go down. Yeah. I don't know what else to say. I don't want to get too... There's a lot of interest in anybody talking about this right now. Especially if you're grounded with it.

Oh, yeah, but they're authentic. You can tell the difference. Yeah, you can tell the difference. But I didn't notice it. Anyway, it was a very interesting experience. People that were with me kind of witnessed, saw it all go down. Yeah. I don't know what else to say. I don't want to get too... There's a lot of interest in anybody talking about this right now. Especially if you're grounded with it.

If you're talking woo-woo stuff, they don't care. It's the people that are effective.

If you're talking woo-woo stuff, they don't care. It's the people that are effective.

Yeah. How so? I witnessed it in 2019, this massive event. craft come over my house and i witnessed it um i mean i'm still thinking about that that was in uh 2019 and uh i got a really really good look at it didn't i was afraid like for my life at a certain point when it it uh made a maneuver that was very very violent in a sense um And I'd never seen anything like that, that big.

Yeah. How so? I witnessed it in 2019, this massive event. craft come over my house and i witnessed it um i mean i'm still thinking about that that was in uh 2019 and uh i got a really really good look at it didn't i was afraid like for my life at a certain point when it it uh made a maneuver that was very very violent in a sense um And I'd never seen anything like that, that big.

And I wasn't the only one who saw it. There was a farmer near me. I'm sure other people saw it as well. How big would you say? Oh, man, it had to be 100 feet anyway, you know.

And I wasn't the only one who saw it. There was a farmer near me. I'm sure other people saw it as well. How big would you say? Oh, man, it had to be 100 feet anyway, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

yeah but you know it wasn't what you'd think you know as far as like tapered down platform the platforms on this thing were like they went out like this like fat right fat long two stories anyway no windows and it had a um i can only see the left hand part of the this dome right it went up like this i could see the other side but i couldn't see that i just saw the curve which was absolutely beautiful that curve was um

yeah but you know it wasn't what you'd think you know as far as like tapered down platform the platforms on this thing were like they went out like this like fat right fat long two stories anyway no windows and it had a um i can only see the left hand part of the this dome right it went up like this i could see the other side but i couldn't see that i just saw the curve which was absolutely beautiful that curve was um

Yeah, I think about that all the time now. Did it have a sound? No, that's what was the most disturbing part about it. No sound. There was nothing. So in aviation, right, or in flying aviation, it's called air displacement. So like when a balloon's going through the air or anything with mass, the more mass you have... No, I'm okay. Thanks. The more mass you have... Volume.

Yeah, I think about that all the time now. Did it have a sound? No, that's what was the most disturbing part about it. No sound. There was nothing. So in aviation, right, or in flying aviation, it's called air displacement. So like when a balloon's going through the air or anything with mass, the more mass you have... No, I'm okay. Thanks. The more mass you have... Volume.

The more air... You can hear the air being displaced. This thing was huge and it had no air displacement. There was not a sound. Nighttime? 10.22 at night. PM. I was outside on the roof of my garage. And...

The more air... You can hear the air being displaced. This thing was huge and it had no air displacement. There was not a sound. Nighttime? 10.22 at night. PM. I was outside on the roof of my garage. And...

Nope. Nope. This thing, it was almost like, it was interesting because I had just finished the rough cut of the movie.

Nope. Nope. This thing, it was almost like, it was interesting because I had just finished the rough cut of the movie.

I was first in line. Damn straight, I was going to be first in line. So... Because when you actually see these things, when you actually experience them and have to go through that process of dealing with it yourself and getting beyond the disbelief that is in yourself that these things are real, I mean, that's part of it too.

I was first in line. Damn straight, I was going to be first in line. So... Because when you actually see these things, when you actually experience them and have to go through that process of dealing with it yourself and getting beyond the disbelief that is in yourself that these things are real, I mean, that's part of it too.

Yeah, but there was a farmer who also saw it. Oh, really? Oh, wow, okay. So there were other witnesses too. Oh, shit. Yeah, I made a big deal. I went to three police stations, two local police stations and the state police. Then I got in my, pardon my English, I got in my plane Your plane? Yeah, I flew down to Westover Air Force Base to talk to the intelligence officer there.

Yeah, but there was a farmer who also saw it. Oh, really? Oh, wow, okay. So there were other witnesses too. Oh, shit. Yeah, I made a big deal. I went to three police stations, two local police stations and the state police. Then I got in my, pardon my English, I got in my plane Your plane? Yeah, I flew down to Westover Air Force Base to talk to the intelligence officer there.

And he was supposed to be there. He didn't show up. And then I talked to him on the phone later. I'm like, hey. you guys got a serious security issue here because I'm 20 miles north of you and you should know what this is. He's like, you mean the drone? I'm like, oh man, yeah, this is no drone, bro. This thing is 10 miles ahead of anything we have. I mean, it was just stunning.

And he was supposed to be there. He didn't show up. And then I talked to him on the phone later. I'm like, hey. you guys got a serious security issue here because I'm 20 miles north of you and you should know what this is. He's like, you mean the drone? I'm like, oh man, yeah, this is no drone, bro. This thing is 10 miles ahead of anything we have. I mean, it was just stunning.

It was oddly when I saw it, and you go through the list of things like, okay, is this a drone? Is this a Chinese lantern? Is this an aircraft? You go through the whole list. I do. I'm not easily deceived because I grew up with a mechanical background, aviation background. You don't jump to conclusions. And then when this thing got closer, I'm like, oh, my God.

It was oddly when I saw it, and you go through the list of things like, okay, is this a drone? Is this a Chinese lantern? Is this an aircraft? You go through the whole list. I do. I'm not easily deceived because I grew up with a mechanical background, aviation background. You don't jump to conclusions. And then when this thing got closer, I'm like, oh, my God.

And it was also absolutely beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful. And there was something peaceful about it, actually, in the experience.

And it was also absolutely beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful. And there was something peaceful about it, actually, in the experience.

Orange. Orange? Like a deep sunset orange. Glowing or no? No. Well, yeah. It looked like a plasma. It looked like a plasma. And then when it crossed in front of the tree in front of me. The whole thing? No, no, no. It was like a light. And then as it approached me, it crossed in front of the tree in front of me that was 45 feet away. The tree was. It crossed behind this tree.

Orange. Orange? Like a deep sunset orange. Glowing or no? No. Well, yeah. It looked like a plasma. It looked like a plasma. And then when it crossed in front of the tree in front of me. The whole thing? No, no, no. It was like a light. And then as it approached me, it crossed in front of the tree in front of me that was 45 feet away. The tree was. It crossed behind this tree.

So you can actually do the math considering where I did all this stuff already.

So you can actually do the math considering where I did all this stuff already.

you can do the math from the position it was viewed from um and then it it the tree part of the tree blocked out the orange light and then i could see the rest of it which is like when you see a light going floating around and then it gets blocked out and you see this massive thing that is not making any sound whatsoever and it's and it's um The craft itself, it had rings, right?

you can do the math from the position it was viewed from um and then it it the tree part of the tree blocked out the orange light and then i could see the rest of it which is like when you see a light going floating around and then it gets blocked out and you see this massive thing that is not making any sound whatsoever and it's and it's um The craft itself, it had rings, right?

Like there was a metallic ring. That's the first thing that caught my eye, running through the center of it, all around the circumference. I can only see that. And it had like a heat, you know, when you heat a metal, there's a rainbow effect, like a purplish, like sort of rainbow effect that happens. It's kind of like tinsel.

Like there was a metallic ring. That's the first thing that caught my eye, running through the center of it, all around the circumference. I can only see that. And it had like a heat, you know, when you heat a metal, there's a rainbow effect, like a purplish, like sort of rainbow effect that happens. It's kind of like tinsel.

yeah the sort of flashiness that's what caught my eye initially after the light got blocked and then i saw so it was like a very metallic not silver it was a darker kind of gray color was it glowing like like like chris blood so describes the orbs like the entire thing glows or is it like a like a an engine source oh no no It looks like an orb, right? Or whatever people refer to it as an orb.

yeah the sort of flashiness that's what caught my eye initially after the light got blocked and then i saw so it was like a very metallic not silver it was a darker kind of gray color was it glowing like like like chris blood so describes the orbs like the entire thing glows or is it like a like a an engine source oh no no It looks like an orb, right? Or whatever people refer to it as an orb.

So that orange light, which looks like a ball of orange with like a red tinge to it, and it looks like plasma. It's like a light that doesn't, it's very strange. I mean, as soon as I saw it, I did not take, I don't think I blinked for 45 seconds. Because I was not going to take my eyes off that thing. And I started to go through the routine of what is this, try to identify it.

So that orange light, which looks like a ball of orange with like a red tinge to it, and it looks like plasma. It's like a light that doesn't, it's very strange. I mean, as soon as I saw it, I did not take, I don't think I blinked for 45 seconds. Because I was not going to take my eyes off that thing. And I started to go through the routine of what is this, try to identify it.

And then when it got blocked by the tree and then I saw the rest of it, which is enormous, I started to get scared, of course. But the rest of it was lit by like a white light that there was no source. And so you had this ring in the middle that had that rainbow effect on it. There was a black ring above it and below it. And then below was silver and above was silver.

And then when it got blocked by the tree and then I saw the rest of it, which is enormous, I started to get scared, of course. But the rest of it was lit by like a white light that there was no source. And so you had this ring in the middle that had that rainbow effect on it. There was a black ring above it and below it. And then below was silver and above was silver.

A lot of people, it's so mind-blowing when people don't understand how impactful those experiences are. So when I got to the hearings, I was sitting next to... Tim Galladet, is that his name? The Navy Admiral, Rear Admiral? No, I'm not sure. He's been speaking quite a bit. Tim Galladet, something like that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

A lot of people, it's so mind-blowing when people don't understand how impactful those experiences are. So when I got to the hearings, I was sitting next to... Tim Galladet, is that his name? The Navy Admiral, Rear Admiral? No, I'm not sure. He's been speaking quite a bit. Tim Galladet, something like that? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

And then the dome was also silver on top. There was no windows. I mean, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen technologically. Any kind of crazy movements it made? Yeah.

And then the dome was also silver on top. There was no windows. I mean, it was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen technologically. Any kind of crazy movements it made? Yeah.

dude this is what is really kind of stunning to me just because i'm i have an engineering background and i build things and you know i love flying and i i just i'm an engineer at heart and uh dude this thing wobbled wobbled huh it was not stable like how like use this zen can and show me how how it wobbled like this like kind of like

dude this is what is really kind of stunning to me just because i'm i have an engineering background and i build things and you know i love flying and i i just i'm an engineer at heart and uh dude this thing wobbled wobbled huh it was not stable like how like use this zen can and show me how how it wobbled like this like kind of like

Like an off-balance gyroscope? I guess so, but it was slower than that. I just couldn't even make sense of that myself. For such a technological object like that to wobble, actually, I think about it. Obviously, if I built it, it would not wobble. Do you know what I mean? I want to make sure it looked really sleek. They don't seem to care about that. Interesting. So-

Like an off-balance gyroscope? I guess so, but it was slower than that. I just couldn't even make sense of that myself. For such a technological object like that to wobble, actually, I think about it. Obviously, if I built it, it would not wobble. Do you know what I mean? I want to make sure it looked really sleek. They don't seem to care about that. Interesting. So-

When it broke out of the trees, I knew I was going to get another clear look at it again. And that's when it did this sort of violent move, like counterclockwise rotated very quickly. That's when I got really, like I got, I put my hands down on the ground. This is it. And yeah. And then I was looking at another sort of perspective of it where there was a platform on the back.

When it broke out of the trees, I knew I was going to get another clear look at it again. And that's when it did this sort of violent move, like counterclockwise rotated very quickly. That's when I got really, like I got, I put my hands down on the ground. This is it. And yeah. And then I was looking at another sort of perspective of it where there was a platform on the back.

that it sort of hung underneath it. And there was a white thing under there that looked like a tank, propane tank or something. And it made me think, because I didn't know about the Tic Tac at this point.

that it sort of hung underneath it. And there was a white thing under there that looked like a tank, propane tank or something. And it made me think, because I didn't know about the Tic Tac at this point.

Yeah, like a white tank with no seams on it. The first way I described it was like a casket. And then underneath that was another platform that was just hanging there.

Yeah, like a white tank with no seams on it. The first way I described it was like a casket. And then underneath that was another platform that was just hanging there.

you know like there was no attachment to the right object and on that platform there was like a when i first saw it it was it's like a white box curved edges it looked super advanced you know um and it had a little pole on it with a red light and in my mind i'm like that's a power supply because i worked as an electrician for a long time in commercial

you know like there was no attachment to the right object and on that platform there was like a when i first saw it it was it's like a white box curved edges it looked super advanced you know um and it had a little pole on it with a red light and in my mind i'm like that's a power supply because i worked as an electrician for a long time in commercial

But it wasn't anything that I've seen us make at all. And then that orange light, which was not on me anymore. had gone around the ring of it and got toward the back of it very close to where it was as it was right here. And then it got big and just went, whoa. I stood up there for 20 minutes just with my jaw dropped. I felt like a Neanderthal, man.

But it wasn't anything that I've seen us make at all. And then that orange light, which was not on me anymore. had gone around the ring of it and got toward the back of it very close to where it was as it was right here. And then it got big and just went, whoa. I stood up there for 20 minutes just with my jaw dropped. I felt like a Neanderthal, man.

Like, honestly, God, they are so far ahead of us.

Like, honestly, God, they are so far ahead of us.

Oh, I'm sure a bunch of people saw it. The farmer. How far away? Yeah. How far away was he? He was probably two miles away. I was probably a couple hundred yards when I first, probably three or 400 yards when I first saw it. And then the kind of, I'm living here, I'm on the roof of the garage and it's coming this way. And then, so it's approaching me the whole time.

Oh, I'm sure a bunch of people saw it. The farmer. How far away? Yeah. How far away was he? He was probably two miles away. I was probably a couple hundred yards when I first, probably three or 400 yards when I first saw it. And then the kind of, I'm living here, I'm on the roof of the garage and it's coming this way. And then, so it's approaching me the whole time.

And I got to say, those people who are coming out from the military side are... you know, they just deserve a lot of credit. This fellow for what the, yes. Okay. Yep. And, um, so I think what came out at those hearings, you had Ryan Graves, David Gruss, David Fravor.

And I got to say, those people who are coming out from the military side are... you know, they just deserve a lot of credit. This fellow for what the, yes. Okay. Yep. And, um, so I think what came out at those hearings, you had Ryan Graves, David Gruss, David Fravor.

And when it departed, it was about right here. So when it departed, I'd say 150. Here's the weird thing. That thing, there was no sound even in that. I saw it go. It disappeared into the stars. And I have no idea the speed, but I would imagine within a second it was over Boston, which is the direction where it went. I'm not kidding. That's crazy, man. But there was no magnetic field.

And when it departed, it was about right here. So when it departed, I'd say 150. Here's the weird thing. That thing, there was no sound even in that. I saw it go. It disappeared into the stars. And I have no idea the speed, but I would imagine within a second it was over Boston, which is the direction where it went. I'm not kidding. That's crazy, man. But there was no magnetic field.

There was no – I didn't feel any impact. There was no pressure wave of any – nothing. Like I don't quite understand the physics involved in what I witnessed and that there was zero sound through the whole thing. And it wasn't some kind of projection or what do you call it?

There was no – I didn't feel any impact. There was no pressure wave of any – nothing. Like I don't quite understand the physics involved in what I witnessed and that there was zero sound through the whole thing. And it wasn't some kind of projection or what do you call it?

It's not a hologram. Right. So the farmer, he was about two or three miles away from me.

It's not a hologram. Right. So the farmer, he was about two or three miles away from me.

And he saw it from his angle, and I know where he was. And so I went to talk to him. Mm-hmm. He got all nervous and said, I don't want to talk about it. Really? Mm-hmm. That's what happens because it's not open. People are nervous about, oh, what are their neighbors going to think? They're afraid of what the government may do. It's not a great atmosphere for openness.

And he saw it from his angle, and I know where he was. And so I went to talk to him. Mm-hmm. He got all nervous and said, I don't want to talk about it. Really? Mm-hmm. That's what happens because it's not open. People are nervous about, oh, what are their neighbors going to think? They're afraid of what the government may do. It's not a great atmosphere for openness.

That's the last time I saw something like that.

That's the last time I saw something like that.

Oh, definitely. Definitely.

Oh, definitely. Definitely.

you ever talked about these things like these guys showing up at your house publicly on podcasts i've been talking to a lot of people in the at different media organizations and newspapers and things like that but this is the first time i'm talking and i have to i really feel like i've had to come forward a bit i didn't want to i wanted to get finished with ariel and move on to my next project which is what i'm doing but i

you ever talked about these things like these guys showing up at your house publicly on podcasts i've been talking to a lot of people in the at different media organizations and newspapers and things like that but this is the first time i'm talking and i have to i really feel like i've had to come forward a bit i didn't want to i wanted to get finished with ariel and move on to my next project which is what i'm doing but i

I have to address this because I'm worried about my family very straightly. Somebody really needs to look at what's already happened to my family. I'd appreciate that. What's happened to your family? There's just a lot of things that have happened over the last five years that are questionable for sure. I'm in Congress really and I've been trying to – You're what?

I have to address this because I'm worried about my family very straightly. Somebody really needs to look at what's already happened to my family. I'd appreciate that. What's happened to your family? There's just a lot of things that have happened over the last five years that are questionable for sure. I'm in Congress really and I've been trying to – You're what?

Congress really needs to put some kind of protective orders on people because there's obviously a reason it's happening. It's definitely happening to other people besides myself. No question about it. And if it's happening to me, I can't imagine who else it's happening to that I know. It's something that just needs to stop.

Congress really needs to put some kind of protective orders on people because there's obviously a reason it's happening. It's definitely happening to other people besides myself. No question about it. And if it's happening to me, I can't imagine who else it's happening to that I know. It's something that just needs to stop.

It's not serving, even if it's serving, it's not, so it's pretty much bullying. They want you to keep quiet and they're doing it in this way, but that's actually creating a problem in its own right. It just could be better ways to do things than that because they're creating more problems in the process. I don't know. I mean, I've just been very concerned. There's no question about that.

It's not serving, even if it's serving, it's not, so it's pretty much bullying. They want you to keep quiet and they're doing it in this way, but that's actually creating a problem in its own right. It just could be better ways to do things than that because they're creating more problems in the process. I don't know. I mean, I've just been very concerned. There's no question about that.

I wouldn't be talking about it. This is not going to help me. It's not going to help me to talk about this at all, and I already have, and I'm worried now. Oh, my God, what's going to be the repercussions? But you're put in a position like, do I say something or do I not say something? Mm-hmm.

I wouldn't be talking about it. This is not going to help me. It's not going to help me to talk about this at all, and I already have, and I'm worried now. Oh, my God, what's going to be the repercussions? But you're put in a position like, do I say something or do I not say something? Mm-hmm.

So you got two top gun guys. Yeah. One's an instructor, a top gun. I mean, come on. Yeah. Grush is, you know, top of the intelligence chain. Um, and they're being honest about what they've seen. And, uh,

So you got two top gun guys. Yeah. One's an instructor, a top gun. I mean, come on. Yeah. Grush is, you know, top of the intelligence chain. Um, and they're being honest about what they've seen. And, uh,

Yeah.

Yeah.

I appreciate that. And yeah, I've been talking with a bunch of other podcasters about this and there's probably other shows I'll probably go on and discuss it on. And, you know, people want to see the videos and all that stuff. It's like, or the photographs haven't gotten fine, but my attorney that's in the hands of attorneys.

I appreciate that. And yeah, I've been talking with a bunch of other podcasters about this and there's probably other shows I'll probably go on and discuss it on. And, you know, people want to see the videos and all that stuff. It's like, or the photographs haven't gotten fine, but my attorney that's in the hands of attorneys.

I just don't want the people wanting to see it at this point.

I just don't want the people wanting to see it at this point.

But, you know, it's not something I'm going to put out. Right. It's wide angle, so it's not ideal, but it doesn't matter to me.

But, you know, it's not something I'm going to put out. Right. It's wide angle, so it's not ideal, but it doesn't matter to me.

Yeah, that was a shock for me too, actually.

Yeah, that was a shock for me too, actually.

If they really want you, they can do it. There's no doubt about that. And they just control everything electronically. Anything electronic. So you go to the extent of having separate power supplies, isolated power supplies. So if they shut the 110 down or the 220 down, you've still got 12 volts, 48 volts, you've got 5 volts running, you've got solar running. They can still do all of it.

If they really want you, they can do it. There's no doubt about that. And they just control everything electronically. Anything electronic. So you go to the extent of having separate power supplies, isolated power supplies. So if they shut the 110 down or the 220 down, you've still got 12 volts, 48 volts, you've got 5 volts running, you've got solar running. They can still do all of it.

That's incredible.

That's incredible.

It's the control of the atom. I mean, you know. Yeah. The control of very subtle levels of electricity.

It's the control of the atom. I mean, you know. Yeah. The control of very subtle levels of electricity.

A lot of the things that moved me as I was there were the things that David Grush had found out because that all rang true to me because I knew before that what he was saying, all those things were true. So, I mean, I cannot tell you the bravery. I have such respect for those people. You know, David, all of them. Lou Elizondo, David Grush, Ryan Graves, and Dave Fravor. And that's just a few.

A lot of the things that moved me as I was there were the things that David Grush had found out because that all rang true to me because I knew before that what he was saying, all those things were true. So, I mean, I cannot tell you the bravery. I have such respect for those people. You know, David, all of them. Lou Elizondo, David Grush, Ryan Graves, and Dave Fravor. And that's just a few.

Yeah, and members of my family also, yeah.

Yeah, and members of my family also, yeah.

Or were you talking about it before that? No, it was 1992. And, you know, I didn't want to be public. I was asked by John Mack to do that show in 94, and I didn't want to do it. I actually, it took two weeks. He kept calling me, and... And I finally, because he said, you know, Randy, you're going to reach six million people. That's what convinced me. I'm like, okay.

Or were you talking about it before that? No, it was 1992. And, you know, I didn't want to be public. I was asked by John Mack to do that show in 94, and I didn't want to do it. I actually, it took two weeks. He kept calling me, and... And I finally, because he said, you know, Randy, you're going to reach six million people. That's what convinced me. I'm like, okay.

But when I first went public was I had, you know, been meeting quite a few people this has happened to. Mm-hmm. who were very prominent people, some famous people that were in some of these groups, what do you call it? Group therapy, basically, of people who had encountered this stuff. And...

But when I first went public was I had, you know, been meeting quite a few people this has happened to. Mm-hmm. who were very prominent people, some famous people that were in some of these groups, what do you call it? Group therapy, basically, of people who had encountered this stuff. And...

If those people had gone public, many doctors, lawyers, business owners, like very prominent people, they could have made a difference, but they were all terrified to speak about it, fearing their reputation. And at that time, they were looking for people to go public and I'm like, God damn it, I'll do it. I'll do it. I didn't do it for myself. It didn't help me at all. It still hasn't.

If those people had gone public, many doctors, lawyers, business owners, like very prominent people, they could have made a difference, but they were all terrified to speak about it, fearing their reputation. And at that time, they were looking for people to go public and I'm like, God damn it, I'll do it. I'll do it. I didn't do it for myself. It didn't help me at all. It still hasn't.

None of this is helpful. You don't do it for that. if you do it for that you're going to be found out damn quick what you're what you're doing it for but i felt and i have always felt that i want to help that person who's experiencing these things not feel so alone for what it's worth man last time you were here you seemed stressed distraught you seemed like you

None of this is helpful. You don't do it for that. if you do it for that you're going to be found out damn quick what you're what you're doing it for but i felt and i have always felt that i want to help that person who's experiencing these things not feel so alone for what it's worth man last time you were here you seemed stressed distraught you seemed like you

Oh man. I got to watch that show next time.

Oh man. I got to watch that show next time.

Really? Yeah. Thank you. I don't see it that way, but that's a good sign. I'm looking for the good signs. Yeah, no. I'm just trying to, I guess all this stuff just, you know, when all this crazy stuff happens to you, you kind of have to really get in touch with who you are as a person. Yeah. You know, try to make the best of a very strange and stressful situation.

Really? Yeah. Thank you. I don't see it that way, but that's a good sign. I'm looking for the good signs. Yeah, no. I'm just trying to, I guess all this stuff just, you know, when all this crazy stuff happens to you, you kind of have to really get in touch with who you are as a person. Yeah. You know, try to make the best of a very strange and stressful situation.

It's funny you say that because before, last time I felt like I sure wasn't going through this, you know. But I think the biggest part of my drive is to...

It's funny you say that because before, last time I felt like I sure wasn't going through this, you know. But I think the biggest part of my drive is to...

Right? What is it called?

Right? What is it called?

Oh my God. You know how they, you hammer that steel.

Oh my God. You know how they, you hammer that steel.

Oof. Yeah.

Oof. Yeah.

Oh, no, we just had some disagreements, you know. It's not around, I mean, God, he, that man really risked his everything to come out to say, hey, in my clinical experience, these people are telling the truth. I mean, he risked his entire career. And I think everyone actually owes him a lot of gratitude for taking the risk about something that was beyond himself.

Oh, no, we just had some disagreements, you know. It's not around, I mean, God, he, that man really risked his everything to come out to say, hey, in my clinical experience, these people are telling the truth. I mean, he risked his entire career. And I think everyone actually owes him a lot of gratitude for taking the risk about something that was beyond himself.

Yeah, that's how I met Danny. I've known Danny for 30 years or something like that. He's a character. He's amazing. And he's brilliant. Such a smart guy. He's super smart. God. And John was like that too, like off the charts type of genius. And yeah, you realized it when you were with him or having conversations with him.

Yeah, that's how I met Danny. I've known Danny for 30 years or something like that. He's a character. He's amazing. And he's brilliant. Such a smart guy. He's super smart. God. And John was like that too, like off the charts type of genius. And yeah, you realized it when you were with him or having conversations with him.

You're like, oof, this guy has just an incredible breadth of knowledge and wisdom. But we didn't always agree, and that's fine. And so I expressed myself, and he'd express himself. Like what wouldn't you agree on? Yeah. Well, he was running through a bunch of theories and, you know, what the, trying to grasp what this was about.

You're like, oof, this guy has just an incredible breadth of knowledge and wisdom. But we didn't always agree, and that's fine. And so I expressed myself, and he'd express himself. Like what wouldn't you agree on? Yeah. Well, he was running through a bunch of theories and, you know, what the, trying to grasp what this was about.

And to. He interviewed how many, do you know how many people he interviewed or did these regressions with? Well, see, I didn't, I got to tell you something. I did not, I didn't do that. This didn't come out of regressions from me, which is why I was unique in that sense at that time was, I mean, I wasn't unique. There was others like me.

And to. He interviewed how many, do you know how many people he interviewed or did these regressions with? Well, see, I didn't, I got to tell you something. I did not, I didn't do that. This didn't come out of regressions from me, which is why I was unique in that sense at that time was, I mean, I wasn't unique. There was others like me.

But all the regressions did to me was send me back into the trauma. So there wasn't very much information gathered from that at all. And people have to be very careful with regressive therapy because... Yeah, Whitley said that that was pretty traumatizing. Yeah, they didn't get anything because I was... And it's taken my own work over decades.

But all the regressions did to me was send me back into the trauma. So there wasn't very much information gathered from that at all. And people have to be very careful with regressive therapy because... Yeah, Whitley said that that was pretty traumatizing. Yeah, they didn't get anything because I was... And it's taken my own work over decades.

Because since that time, so many more people have come forward. And I just, hats off to them. I really personally appreciate it. And I know there's a lot of people out there who've seen these things that feel the same way. Like, thank you so much. Finally, after all this time and all this effort, people have put in to try to bring it to the public because that's kind of what it's about.

Because since that time, so many more people have come forward. And I just, hats off to them. I really personally appreciate it. And I know there's a lot of people out there who've seen these things that feel the same way. Like, thank you so much. Finally, after all this time and all this effort, people have put in to try to bring it to the public because that's kind of what it's about.

Oh, no, we tried. He tried regressing me.

Oh, no, we tried. He tried regressing me.

Yeah. It didn't work out so well. It put me right back into the trauma, which that was difficult because I didn't need to go back there. I was curious enough to want to know more. Like, okay, I know a lot of stuff happened that I don't remember. I'd like to remember it. But that didn't work at all. So what I had to do was just to go to therapy for long periods of time. With him? No. Oh, no.

Yeah. It didn't work out so well. It put me right back into the trauma, which that was difficult because I didn't need to go back there. I was curious enough to want to know more. Like, okay, I know a lot of stuff happened that I don't remember. I'd like to remember it. But that didn't work at all. So what I had to do was just to go to therapy for long periods of time. With him? No. Oh, no.

I actually decided to work with people that had nothing to do with or any knowledge of this phenomena. Because I didn't want any. There was a reason I did that. And it took a long time to work through.

I actually decided to work with people that had nothing to do with or any knowledge of this phenomena. Because I didn't want any. There was a reason I did that. And it took a long time to work through.

I think initially there was a small group. And then by the time he did the 1994 book, I think there was a hundred of us. And then he, I think, I'm not quite sure. I know, I know who would know that, that, um, but I would imagine he probably did a few hundred more after that. I don't know if he's doing in depth work, it takes quite a long time.

I think initially there was a small group. And then by the time he did the 1994 book, I think there was a hundred of us. And then he, I think, I'm not quite sure. I know, I know who would know that, that, um, but I would imagine he probably did a few hundred more after that. I don't know if he's doing in depth work, it takes quite a long time.

Um, Well, at the time, and this is still present, there are people that think this is for the good. And this is, you know, there are people that think this is benign or malignant, right? Is that the right way to say it? Yeah.

Um, Well, at the time, and this is still present, there are people that think this is for the good. And this is, you know, there are people that think this is benign or malignant, right? Is that the right way to say it? Yeah.

Right. Basically evil and good. And so he would be going that way. And it's been going on for a long time. It's like it's not even about any of that. I mean, that's our human construct in a sense that it has to be this way or another. And I just always, and I still feel that way.

Right. Basically evil and good. And so he would be going that way. And it's been going on for a long time. It's like it's not even about any of that. I mean, that's our human construct in a sense that it has to be this way or another. And I just always, and I still feel that way.

Once you get into good and evil and classifying it, you're missing a lot because there's a lot of in-between that you don't want to miss.

Once you get into good and evil and classifying it, you're missing a lot because there's a lot of in-between that you don't want to miss.

I agree. I agree. You get little pieces of it and I agree with that. I think it's beyond a lot of our comprehension. I really do. And there's this big gap that we're trying to to bridge, you know, to, to understand them and conceive, but Hey, you know, I've only seen a very small part of this population, you know, whoever these things are, I've seen what a science team multiple times.

I agree. I agree. You get little pieces of it and I agree with that. I think it's beyond a lot of our comprehension. I really do. And there's this big gap that we're trying to to bridge, you know, to, to understand them and conceive, but Hey, you know, I've only seen a very small part of this population, you know, whoever these things are, I've seen what a science team multiple times.

And they were the same crew.

And they were the same crew.

That's the way. How do you know that? You can feel it. Really? Yeah. You feel it. Yep. Yep.

That's the way. How do you know that? You can feel it. Really? Yeah. You feel it. Yep. Yep.

If they were machines, they were biological machines, but they weren't.

If they were machines, they were biological machines, but they weren't.

Maybe, maybe, but they're very real and very sentient. And anyway, and they come in four, every single time it's four. Yep, there's something about the number four, man.

Maybe, maybe, but they're very real and very sentient. And anyway, and they come in four, every single time it's four. Yep, there's something about the number four, man.

I don't. Oh, okay, I thought you knew him. I mean, it's every single time, four of them. Jeez.

I don't. Oh, okay, I thought you knew him. I mean, it's every single time, four of them. Jeez.

Never saw anything like that. Really bizarre. Really bizarre.

Never saw anything like that. Really bizarre. Really bizarre.

It's not about yourself. It's not about your own ego BS. It is about all of us, our entire species. yeah so the takeaway from that was um oh my god we're in a different day i mean since that time we've had a lot more um just incredibly brave people coming forward to um to share what they know and i know it's not an easy none of this is easy none of it it's not going to be easy for a while um

It's not about yourself. It's not about your own ego BS. It is about all of us, our entire species. yeah so the takeaway from that was um oh my god we're in a different day i mean since that time we've had a lot more um just incredibly brave people coming forward to um to share what they know and i know it's not an easy none of this is easy none of it it's not going to be easy for a while um

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's so fascinating. So when I, I was 10 years, 11 years old when I, I, what was it? I was like a teenager when I described that. I think I was 11 years old.

That's so fascinating. So when I, I was 10 years, 11 years old when I, I, what was it? I was like a teenager when I described that. I think I was 11 years old.

Oh, so yeah, I mean, I did do regression, but it wasn't very, I had, it just brought me into the trauma. So I did remember some things, but I tend not to put a lot, as much stock as I do with what I saw with my own eyes and felt with my own body, right? But I don't take that away from anyone. I think, and I did say that, right, that it brought me back to three. So it's 1970, 1971.

Oh, so yeah, I mean, I did do regression, but it wasn't very, I had, it just brought me into the trauma. So I did remember some things, but I tend not to put a lot, as much stock as I do with what I saw with my own eyes and felt with my own body, right? But I don't take that away from anyone. I think, and I did say that, right, that it brought me back to three. So it's 1970, 1971.

which is when I think it, that's when it began. You think it began around there? I do. I mean, I know that we've, I've just, at least with you, right. We've discussed it in my family. So there were some events that occurred, um, Yeah. I just, I brought it up. You know, I had to, when you see stuff like this initially and you don't know what it is. It took me 20 years to believe it myself.

which is when I think it, that's when it began. You think it began around there? I do. I mean, I know that we've, I've just, at least with you, right. We've discussed it in my family. So there were some events that occurred, um, Yeah. I just, I brought it up. You know, I had to, when you see stuff like this initially and you don't know what it is. It took me 20 years to believe it myself.

I can't. Yeah.

I can't. Yeah.

Yeah. He said that?

Yeah. He said that?

I haven't read it, so I stay away from the books because I don't need to read them. Right. And when I do read them, I just get more traumatized. I'm not learning any... It does... Yeah, it just reminds me of things I have kind of isolated out of my memory. They're still there. I just keep them locked up.

I haven't read it, so I stay away from the books because I don't need to read them. Right. And when I do read them, I just get more traumatized. I'm not learning any... It does... Yeah, it just reminds me of things I have kind of isolated out of my memory. They're still there. I just keep them locked up.

They're all very intelligent. I went for a long time, I was curious, who are they? Well, first of all, why me? And then also, who's out there? Who else is this happening to? What's the common denominator? That became a big curiosity for me. So I mean, some of these people are off the charts geniuses, some of these abductees that I've met.

They're all very intelligent. I went for a long time, I was curious, who are they? Well, first of all, why me? And then also, who's out there? Who else is this happening to? What's the common denominator? That became a big curiosity for me. So I mean, some of these people are off the charts geniuses, some of these abductees that I've met.

I mean, they can read an entire book that's 500 pages long, and then two years later, they can quote you line by line out of that chapter if you're asking about, oh, yeah, that was page 56. Photographic memories. Photographic memories, correct.

I mean, they can read an entire book that's 500 pages long, and then two years later, they can quote you line by line out of that chapter if you're asking about, oh, yeah, that was page 56. Photographic memories. Photographic memories, correct.

And then, so I think it's a mix of range and I think there's multiple reasons, but I definitely noticed the brain part because I've met so many just crazy intelligent people, females and males. And then there's another element that maybe they picked, I don't know, for genetic reasons. I don't know. But I try to figure that out. I have not come to a conclusion.

And then, so I think it's a mix of range and I think there's multiple reasons, but I definitely noticed the brain part because I've met so many just crazy intelligent people, females and males. And then there's another element that maybe they picked, I don't know, for genetic reasons. I don't know. But I try to figure that out. I have not come to a conclusion.

But you definitely wonder what it's about.

But you definitely wonder what it's about.

I got three. I'm kind of have to be, I'd had to be careful because one of these projects is on, on my story, which is kind of on your personal story. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Some people have, um, finally figured or whatever, they just realize it needs to be told. So that's great. And, um, but that's why I'm, I'm sort of under an NDA for that.

I got three. I'm kind of have to be, I'd had to be careful because one of these projects is on, on my story, which is kind of on your personal story. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Some people have, um, finally figured or whatever, they just realize it needs to be told. So that's great. And, um, but that's why I'm, I'm sort of under an NDA for that.

And then, um, and then I have my next film project, which I can't say anything about because unfortunately people, no, I know it isn't, but in this, in this, in the documentary world, you, you have to be very careful because somebody will just jump in and take, take your idea. Unfortunately happened to me. So unfortunately.

And then, um, and then I have my next film project, which I can't say anything about because unfortunately people, no, I know it isn't, but in this, in this, in the documentary world, you, you have to be very careful because somebody will just jump in and take, take your idea. Unfortunately happened to me. So unfortunately.

No. Oh, no. I want to talk about other people's. I want to tell other people's stories. I made that decision a long time ago. I really didn't want to talk about my own story. Right. You know, it's too difficult. And I'd rather tell other people's stories who don't have a voice. Yeah. So moving forward and under extraordinary circumstances.

No. Oh, no. I want to talk about other people's. I want to tell other people's stories. I made that decision a long time ago. I really didn't want to talk about my own story. Right. You know, it's too difficult. And I'd rather tell other people's stories who don't have a voice. Yeah. So moving forward and under extraordinary circumstances.

to confront this for who i think for everybody to be honest it's definitely not easy right now for a lot of people that have had encounters because a lot of people who've had encounters with these things want to block they block it out because it's so disturbing it changes your world view it's it's ontological shock which people are using that quite a bit now and it's true john mack used it back in the 90s

to confront this for who i think for everybody to be honest it's definitely not easy right now for a lot of people that have had encounters because a lot of people who've had encounters with these things want to block they block it out because it's so disturbing it changes your world view it's it's ontological shock which people are using that quite a bit now and it's true john mack used it back in the 90s

Yeah. I think all those are true. Yeah. Because it's really hard to come to terms with it. And for sure it can take 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. It sure isn't easy. Um, yeah, but I, I would, uh, if you want to answer that, there's investigators you should speak with who are seeing people and getting the reports. Um, what kind of investigators?

Yeah. I think all those are true. Yeah. Because it's really hard to come to terms with it. And for sure it can take 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. It sure isn't easy. Um, yeah, but I, I would, uh, if you want to answer that, there's investigators you should speak with who are seeing people and getting the reports. Um, what kind of investigators?

Mufon, I believe has their own department, uh, for abductions to, you know, for people to contact them. Um, I think also a lot of people saw what happened to the people I was around that whole time and how, how abused we got by the media and, um, ridiculed and, oh my God, it was, uh, brutal. Um, and that maybe that has informed their decision not to be public about it.

Mufon, I believe has their own department, uh, for abductions to, you know, for people to contact them. Um, I think also a lot of people saw what happened to the people I was around that whole time and how, how abused we got by the media and, um, ridiculed and, oh my God, it was, uh, brutal. Um, and that maybe that has informed their decision not to be public about it.

But I, I've met quite a few that it's ongoing and, uh, If it has stopped, great, but I just don't believe that's the truth.

But I, I've met quite a few that it's ongoing and, uh, If it has stopped, great, but I just don't believe that's the truth.

No, it's everywhere. I think Big said he's less so, but it's all over the planet. I had a woman from Japan approach me at one of my screenings recently. I mean, this is fascinating, and this is the most rewarding part for me personally, is people approach me at my screenings afterwards, and they'll give me a note, or they'll just tell me, like, thank you for...

No, it's everywhere. I think Big said he's less so, but it's all over the planet. I had a woman from Japan approach me at one of my screenings recently. I mean, this is fascinating, and this is the most rewarding part for me personally, is people approach me at my screenings afterwards, and they'll give me a note, or they'll just tell me, like, thank you for...

validating my experience that's been happening since i was a child or that's the most beautiful thing and i always share with my crew because like you know but people i worked with like hey this is the kind of effect you have we've got stacks of letters and emails from people of And yes, this woman from Japan recently approached me. I'm like, oh my God. I mean, I knew it was everywhere.

validating my experience that's been happening since i was a child or that's the most beautiful thing and i always share with my crew because like you know but people i worked with like hey this is the kind of effect you have we've got stacks of letters and emails from people of And yes, this woman from Japan recently approached me. I'm like, oh my God. I mean, I knew it was everywhere.

I've met people from China, Japan, all over pretty much every single country at this point. It's the same thing. The same thing. We think we don't have, we have borders. These things, this operation doesn't have any. They're covering the entire planet.

I've met people from China, Japan, all over pretty much every single country at this point. It's the same thing. The same thing. We think we don't have, we have borders. These things, this operation doesn't have any. They're covering the entire planet.

No.

No.

Well, yeah, maybe. I've heard a few, but they're so, it's pretty consistent. It is. It's pretty consistent. That's the other thing that gets, that's why people started researching it was the consistency amongst stories, even from people separated by oceans, you know.

Well, yeah, maybe. I've heard a few, but they're so, it's pretty consistent. It is. It's pretty consistent. That's the other thing that gets, that's why people started researching it was the consistency amongst stories, even from people separated by oceans, you know.

all across the world was the consistencies of many things, you know, not just the description of these creatures, but the procedures, the technology. It's been, it's repetitive. It's all consistent. So there's a strong body of work. I think it's 90% the same. And then there's 10% that are these outliers that, you know, people experiencing reptile-like creatures and this and that. I don't know.

all across the world was the consistencies of many things, you know, not just the description of these creatures, but the procedures, the technology. It's been, it's repetitive. It's all consistent. So there's a strong body of work. I think it's 90% the same. And then there's 10% that are these outliers that, you know, people experiencing reptile-like creatures and this and that. I don't know.

But 90% of them are these little four-footers.

But 90% of them are these little four-footers.

And I think he actually had a good grasp on what it would do to humans, you know, the human.

And I think he actually had a good grasp on what it would do to humans, you know, the human.

It's just limited, you know, limited, uh, I mean, it depends on the individual situation.

It's just limited, you know, limited, uh, I mean, it depends on the individual situation.

Right. God, I got to talk to Whitley. It's been a while. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's funny. No, you can. It reminds me, like, people say, well, if you're on the spacecraft, like, why didn't you get this? It's like, dude, you're thinking about survival, period. You know?

Right. God, I got to talk to Whitley. It's been a while. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's funny. No, you can. It reminds me, like, people say, well, if you're on the spacecraft, like, why didn't you get this? It's like, dude, you're thinking about survival, period. You know?

I mean, that's the kind of mixed in thing unless you're under some kind of their anesthetic, which is electrical in nature, by the way. It's... It's difficult to get those questions in because that's not where you're, hasn't been with me. That's not been my primary, like I would like to survive, you know. Right.

I mean, that's the kind of mixed in thing unless you're under some kind of their anesthetic, which is electrical in nature, by the way. It's... It's difficult to get those questions in because that's not where you're, hasn't been with me. That's not been my primary, like I would like to survive, you know. Right.

Mm-hmm. I don't think they needed that for me anyway. But yeah, no, I don't remember them at all.

Mm-hmm. I don't think they needed that for me anyway. But yeah, no, I don't remember them at all.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, man. This has been fun. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

Yeah, man. This has been fun. I won't be able to sleep tonight.

No. Why? Anytime I talk about this stuff, it just ripples for several days. This is true.

No. Why? Anytime I talk about this stuff, it just ripples for several days. This is true.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's what I'd love more people to understand is how impactful it is. But there's a way through it. I'm determined that there's a way through it. It is scary, but there's a way to get over that somehow. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's what I'd love more people to understand is how impactful it is. But there's a way through it. I'm determined that there's a way through it. It is scary, but there's a way to get over that somehow. Yeah.

that a lot of us are trying to do so we can because once we overcome that or get you're never going to overcome it uh adapt to it then then we can actually learn a lot the fear is the problem yeah yeah thanks man it's good to see you again yeah it's been fun where can people contact you um obviously i'll link your documentary below um is there anywhere else that we can direct people to get a hold of you or learn more about your work

that a lot of us are trying to do so we can because once we overcome that or get you're never going to overcome it uh adapt to it then then we can actually learn a lot the fear is the problem yeah yeah thanks man it's good to see you again yeah it's been fun where can people contact you um obviously i'll link your documentary below um is there anywhere else that we can direct people to get a hold of you or learn more about your work

Yeah, aerialphenomenon.com. We're starting a Patreon page for one of the projects we have. And yeah, just contact at aerialphenomenon.com and you'll be seeing more of what we're up to. And yeah, I hope this was okay to share. I know it's a lot for people.

Yeah, aerialphenomenon.com. We're starting a Patreon page for one of the projects we have. And yeah, just contact at aerialphenomenon.com and you'll be seeing more of what we're up to. And yeah, I hope this was okay to share. I know it's a lot for people.

And I hope pretty soon I won't have to be so careful. We'll have moved on past the discussion about what it is.

And I hope pretty soon I won't have to be so careful. We'll have moved on past the discussion about what it is.

Hey. It's been a year.

Hey. It's been a year.

But it's not, I mean, that's what, that was the public, you know, the majority report when, when they spoke to him privately and there were meetings going on that whole time before and after the, The hearing. So and then I think there was a skiff that a couple of skiffs that have happened since that time. There's one coming up again. So, yeah, I mean, you just can't share a lot of your sources.

But it's not, I mean, that's what, that was the public, you know, the majority report when, when they spoke to him privately and there were meetings going on that whole time before and after the, The hearing. So and then I think there was a skiff that a couple of skiffs that have happened since that time. There's one coming up again. So, yeah, I mean, you just can't share a lot of your sources.

Maybe. I mean, maybe. I don't think so. But I mean, you got to understand that it is such a big deal that they're going to try to control the narrative in any way they can. Because it's such a big deal that it will affect our civilization in ways that we're not even aware of.

Maybe. I mean, maybe. I don't think so. But I mean, you got to understand that it is such a big deal that they're going to try to control the narrative in any way they can. Because it's such a big deal that it will affect our civilization in ways that we're not even aware of.

And they're trying to get a handle on all that stuff. They have been for a long time. You just can't just tell people... It's groundbreaking. It may take a long time, actually, for this to... It's not fiction. That I can tell you. It's not fiction.

And they're trying to get a handle on all that stuff. They have been for a long time. You just can't just tell people... It's groundbreaking. It may take a long time, actually, for this to... It's not fiction. That I can tell you. It's not fiction.

Yeah. Well, that's kind of why I... Part of it. I think that that conversation is not – we're not there yet to really actually have that conversation about – With the public, you mean? With the public for – about personal contact. I think that's – I think people – if you look at the way it's gone, we're starting from the outside about these objects even being real. We're still in that argument.

The public is hearing about it, but we're not to what they're doing here, who they've interacted with, why. There's so many things that – I mean I feel – that's why I just don't want to say too much about anything I've run into because –

it's two years away it's two years away i've been actually told that like yeah you need to be quiet for about two years and i i kind of think like what's okay who's telling you you need to be quiet for two years oh man since the hearings um i mean this is just incredibly i can't even believe i'm saying this but since the hearings which is july 26 um

It doesn't seem like, I think it's been, um, As far as I'm aware, it's still happening. Just from people I know that are working on it, investigating it, even conversations with people recently. Because I've been getting a lot of people contacting me from the film. From what film? From the Rua film? From the aerial phenomenon, yeah. Right, right.

Yeah. Wow.

i had a man come to my house military man i knew he'd seen combat i could see it in his eyes and uh he threatened me for 20 minutes in my own yard not kidding basically telling me keep my mouth shut um four months later i got a physical assault not by the same man but same type of man and then four months after that that was april I got another physical assault. I got punched in the chest.

They knew where I was, man. It was so bizarre. And he punches me in the chest. He knew where the cameras were on the street. And then puts his arm around me real quick. I mean, I didn't know this person. He just approached me on the sidewalk, and he was the only one there. In front of your house? No, this was at a restaurant that I tend to go to.

Once every week or two weeks, I'll go to a restaurant, and he put his arm around me and said, let's go for a drink. And I'm like, I don't know who the fuck you are. Pardon my English, but that was extreme. And it actually turned out that man was the same man who, I was caught on my cameras behind my house like three years before that. So I don't know. And then there's been three incidents since.

So, I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this. I can't believe it's happening. I mean, I've traveled around the world. I've gotten followed by the Zimbabwean CIO, which is our CIA. I've been confronted.

It's called the CIO. Yeah. Wow. Yep. I've had intelligence officers follow me in South Africa, Canada. How do you know they were intelligence officers following you? Well, in Zimbabwe, it's very clear. Oh. They let you know who they are. Oh. That's nice of them. I mean, when you first experience it, it's shocking. I mean, you are terrified. You realize that this person is very powerful.

who they represent. And I was with somebody who knew what was happening at the time, too, because I probably wouldn't have noticed it. She did. She can tell you the story, too. So oddly, you get kind of educated about who these people are and how they operate. I just never thought I'd see it in my own country like this. For what?

August 16th, 2023.

It was 5 o'clock, 5.30.

I asked him all those questions. Well, first of all, I thought he was somebody who had had an encounter himself. coming to my house to, that's what I thought. Cause he was really, he kept talking about the subject matter in a very, very smart legal way. Like he was, it was so brilliantly done. I can't even tell you.

Yeah. And he, he, he literally made up the name as he went. And then he told me, I asked him where he worked. He said he'd been in my house before in my garage and I knew he hadn't. Because he would have seen one of my vehicles. First of all, nobody comes in my garage unless I know them. And how he described one of the vehicles in the car was if you saw it from the air.

Because if he had been in that garage, he would have known that wasn't an original type of vehicle that it was. Well, okay. It looks like a Shelby Cobra, but it's not. It's a hand-built 1959 MGA with a racing, you know, Corvette drivetrain in it.

So yeah, I think it's just not being covered properly.

I mean, it really – I knew – anyway, it was just – yeah. Yeah. And then he told me where he worked, and I drove immediately after he left to see if he worked there. And it was a fire department he said he was with. That was one of the things he said to me very clearly. I said, what do you do? He's like, I put out fires.

And I have a lot of friends that are firemen, police officers, military guys, friends of mine I grew up with. And he said, yeah, I put out fires. Sometimes people make it. Sometimes they don't. Very clearly. This is one of many threats that went on for 20 minutes. And I think the reason he stayed so long was because he probably thought, oh, this guy's not really getting it.

in a serious way i don't know why people are saying that that's what puzzles me like well i don't see it anywhere well it's not you're not seeing it in in in the public right but i i've been hearing about it for nothing has changed as far as i'm concerned um it's just not being it it is being studied through mufon and different organizations and different private you know investigate investigators

Which I wasn't, because I was, okay, this is somebody... He's coming to me for some reason. And, you know, first you have to see, is he drunk, right? Is this somebody with mental issues? Whatever. You go through a list and try to figure out what's going on. And it became very clear toward the end, which is why he left. And he kept saying to me, I'll be back. I'm going to be coming back often.

Very threatening, physically threatening. And this guy could have kicked my ass. On your property? Correct. And I made eye-to-eye contact. And when he would make the threats, he would be.

Not a sidearm. Here. And you could tell? I could tell. And one of the things I did right away was put my arms and my hands so he could see them. because I understood the gravity of the situation. This is somebody who's well-trained. And I'll never forget looking in his eyes. I'm like, oh, yeah, he's just like the guys I know that went to Iraq.

Guys, friends of mine that went to Iraq and Afghanistan or even Vietnam, he's no longer alive anymore. But man, they came back different and you can see it in their eyes. Some people call it the thousand yard stare. It's basically, you've seen things, other people just, you know, you've seen the extreme and it really affects you.

Yeah, no, no. There were some direct things. He knew all about the film. That was discussed. But I could tell he was walking a legal line at the same time. Like, it was really brilliant, I have to say. It was terrifying. You know, it, I mean.

just basically that's what's been said to me for a long time. Just keep your mouth shut. That's it. Just keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah.

So I had to think about that, right? I'm like, is this about the movie? I had to really, really do a lot of deep thinking about, okay, what is this really about? Yeah. I think it's some things, I've been very aggressive in a sense, not for any nefarious purpose, but aggressive in finding, I needed to know personally what was going on, who knew about this.

So I've been to a lot of places and I've spoken to a lot of people and I've seen a lot of stuff, seen a lot of things. So I think it's more about that than it is about the movie. Privately seeing people?

For a long time now. Like who? I can't talk about that, really. I'm not trying to be a... I just... It's only going to get me in more trouble. But there's been... Let's put it this way. There's been an awful lot of interest for quite a long time with a whole bunch of us.

People have seen it. Yeah. People have come close to it. Yeah. That's no joke. Do you think it's a coincidence this happened right after the hearings? No, I think the hearings pushed it to a different level. I don't think they wanted me there, to be honest. I think they were very surprised I was there. But I've been that kind of person my whole life.

Like, you know, I'm not going to keep my mouth shut about this. You know, and it's not like I'm not against them. I understand they're human beings just like I am. And we're all, you know, we're all in the same position. And I understand their concern. I'm concerned also. All of us should be, right, in a certain sense. But my beef is like, just come and talk to me.

It's like, there's nothing I'm going to do. Like, we're on the same page. You just have to have more information and ability and technology to gather that information to get a bigger picture of what's happening. But it's still the same thing. You know, these Top Gun guys are flying antiques compared to that stuff. Like, there is such a huge gap between where we are and where those things are.

We all need to help. There's just no question. So... They may look at me as somebody who has crossed some lines because I've kind of demanded to be in the conversation. But not publicly, which is bizarre that they would go to this length.

Since the movie?

Well, I've been on a few podcasts and probably said a few things. But I've been very careful. Like, I'm not interested in hurting national security. Unfortunately, national security is bonded to this subject matter really intimately in their eyes. And I understand why. You know, they're worried about the Chinese. Right, of course. You know, and the Russians, both. Yeah.

and wanting to maintain that advantage because everybody knows that this is the bar of this is the shiny object the bar of gold the most valuable thing in the world to us and whoever gets control of that you know is going to have a significant advantage yeah all the pub you all right

I don't think people realize like how disturbing these events are, to be honest with you. You know, there's a lot of people out there. I mean, just if you can imagine it, um, which I, I don't think you can actually imagine it. Um, anything close to what the reality is like, um, boy, it makes life difficult for people.

I just want to have a normal life, you know? And it's not been possible.

Different guy, but I had him on camera two years before that in my backyard. Same guy. What was he doing in your backyard? Uh, they GPS themselves on their phone and I live in the middle of a fricking huge swamp. It's like 700 acres. Nobody goes out there. Hunters, I'll see hunters once in a while. You'll never see them caught out of the woods at night.

You know, bears and everything else out there. And, you know, sometimes I'll get a guy that picks mushrooms. I'll see, you know, whatever. It's no, I'm not interested. I'm looking interested in covering the wildlife out there.

So I catch a lot of this stuff on camera and these guys came into my backyard, GPS themselves in, they got caught on two cameras just on the way in. It's so funny.

Have to. Had to. Just to be able to, you know, to have some semblance of safety, unfortunately. But it's served a lot of purposes.

The camera goes off. There's two of them. And the shorter guy... He's like, camera. He yells out, camera. And then the guy, the same guy that assaulted me, he said, that fucking asshole. That's what he said right on camera. So the camera's far enough away from me that how would he know whose it is?

Yeah.

No, this wasn't, this is, yeah, no, this was quite far out into the woods on the way to the house. So, and then they spent five minutes photographing my property from, from the woods line, which was also on camera. That's caught on the home security.

My attorneys have it. Okay. Yeah. Because unfortunately I've had to, to go to extreme degrees. Yeah. Have you ever talked to Danny Sheehan? Yeah, I know Danny. Has he ever helped you with any of this stuff?

I know. He's busy. Yeah. We discussed this a long time ago, actually. Because as soon as you go public about it, you start to get the... You start to get the... the intimidation, I guess you would say. Somebody wants to keep this stuff quiet. There's no doubt about that. And I'm not the only person, by any means.

And I have to give so many people a lot of credit, um, who've spoken out in the past who are continuing to speak out, um, sharing their stories and, uh, I just don't think people realize how impactful something like that is. You can see it in the wild. I always compare it to the wildlife and wild animals and nature because we can see how another creature that runs into me

It's been interesting to hear Lou, David Grush, all these other people out there saying, you know, telling people like I'm not going to commit suicide, you know, basically telling people they've been threatened and saying that, you know, if someone's going to make my death look like an accident, I'm going to come out first and say that, you know, I did that 20 years ago on paper.

Just that same thing where you say to people, you know, my family, I wrote them a long letter like, you know, I'm not going to commit suicide. I'm healthy. I'm very careful in everything I do. Just because... There's some actions that have been taken, which David Gresh brought up, and others have as well, that are real. And unfortunately, you even have to think about that.

Because I'm not doing anything illegal. I haven't violated any military borders or anything like that.

Yeah, I think so. I think they know that I know a fair amount of things I probably shouldn't know and they don't want me talking about it. Pretty simple. I just wish they would just tell me, like have a conversation instead of, it's like bully tactics, you know, and boy, man, they know the human being well.

they know how to make a person scared in very particular ways it's like it's surgical like if we do this and it's it's actually brilliant if it wasn't happening to me i'd be much more fascinated and but they're you know it's incredibly can you give how much can you tell me about what this is that they don't want they don't want you to talk about publicly and they want you to keep your mouth shut about it like what is the nature of it

um is it about is it about nuts and bolts crafts is it about beings is it about what is it about i think it's about all of it i think it's about a lot of it i mean i'm not i don't have anything in my possession or anything like that it's just i i've seen quite a few things um

Well, it, it, I, yeah. But if you have anything of their, you know, that's exotic, you won't have it for long. Right. Right. Right. It's, uh, It's a national security secret, really.

Yeah, I don't know. There's more out there than people think. They're just not looking hard enough in a sense, I think. I think a lot's been actually made public by a lot of brave people, even back in the 50s and 60s. I mean, my God, when this really finally comes, there's going to be award ceremonies, post, you know, posthumous ceremonies.

uh for so many people that took such brave uh risks to um to try to at least evolve us not tell us everything but at least to give us like some hints like yeah this is this is what you got coming um and what's why are those stories not talked about anymore what like they're there what are they like what can you give us an example of one

Well, look at some of the documentaries in the 1950s that were done on this topic. Some of the brave soldiers, majors, or, you know, from all different branches who came forward. Kehoe. I mean, you know...

so many brave people that um that were trying to tell us and nothing has changed like today we think oh ufos is a new thing uh well why don't you watch some of those documentaries from the 50s right it's all the same it's the same thing it's just people have decided time after time not to tell us and um I mean, you know, what do we do?

in the woods which has happened many times and how they react to me you know particularly when you're out in far out places in Alaska where they don't see a lot of human beings or even in Africa where human beings are kind of rare you know not everywhere but in certain locations um

I think the exciting part, because you can get pretty hopeless about that. Like, oh, they're never going to tell us.

But there's been just some real, I think it has to do with, you know, where we're at, where things are at. The public distrust everywhere because the... Yeah. And here's the powers that be. Yeah.

I think it would be very tenuous. You've heard of Project Bluebeam, that very project to mimic this phenomenon for that same purpose. I think a vast majority of people would believe that that was made up bullshit. Today, probably. I don't know. I haven't done the surveys. People don't trust the government. That's what I'm trying to get at. That's the problem. That's the problem.

And I think if you really want to look down the road, I think the reason people don't trust the government on a big scale is because they have not told us the truth about something very elemental. that even a lot of the indigenous cultures have known for thousands of years, they haven't been honest about it. Like, you know, for a long time, I'm like, who's got a great handle on this?

Yep. The 30th, actually. Oh, it's the 30th anniversary. 30th anniversary. And it was yesterday, September 16th.

Who do I go to after what I've seen myself? Who do I go to for advice? It hasn't been here. I've gone to chiefs and medicine men in other countries and here in the United States. they know more about it than anybody else. From an overall standpoint, there are people in our country that have a great technical understanding of what we're dealing with, which is mind-blowing. What do you mean?

People that have a great technical understanding? Because I really do believe we have recovered their stuff. Oh, okay. Too many people I know that are close enough to know that. And this has nothing to do with the UFO circle. I have my own circle of friends that are just people I grew up with and people I went to school with who are in the military.

And they have really cool jobs or they're with contractors. So anyway, the good part, it is becoming normal conversation now. It's never been like that for me. It's just normal conversation.

and they have a very strong reaction of fear uh fight flight or freeze you know one of those things and i've experienced it a lot so i think human beings actually go through a very similar process with these creatures um saying like maybe there's some sort of uh internal processing that has to happen before somebody can actually talk about this especially publicly yeah Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's not. We're not there yet. That's just why. I feel like I need a couple. Not me, but actually I'd rather just not.

Well, you know, bears spend an awful lot of time on two legs, way more than people think.

walking upright i've seen it and i've yeah but anyway well i know it's just it's just i don't know i i don't try i try not to i think the most important thing because hey these this this species could have evolved here that's possible could be time travel i'm not excluding anything i just i've heard so many ideas pitched and i think it's great we need to do that absolutely um

But the most important thing for me and a lot of other people is just let's just admit that they're here first. It doesn't matter where they're from. We'll figure that out. And we need as many scientists like Michael. I think I've met him a few times. Michael Masters. Yeah. And I think it's great what he's doing. And everyone is. I mean –

I mean, it is very, very hard to go public. I know quite a few people that have and the consequences you pay for that, you know. Unfortunately, in the past, there was a lot of ridicule. being diagnosed as crazy or schizophrenic or bipolar. The list goes on. It's been going on since the 70s, really, is when they started to try to medically diagnose these people.

Jeez, there's so many people that are just doing incredible work.

It makes a lot of sense. It's... No, it's a great hypothesis. I... I mean, our planet's in trouble, period. It doesn't matter. I'll just make an argument. If they are traveling back to the future, they're a little late. They should have done that. I mean, from the future, they're a little late because we're in more and more serious trouble.

But you also have to understand another species, and this is also theoretical or speculative, they may be looking at us like we do. I spent a lot of time in Africa with primatologists and all these other wildlife people and organizations, and they – You know, they monitor the wildlife. They care about them. They, you know, care for them to a certain level.

So the crazy part, these are witnesses to something. And how they've been handled and treated is completely wrong. It's really... I don't know what to say about that.

And then when they get out of hand or their environment starts to suffer from too many elephants, so to speak, they mow a whole – they mow forests down. You would not believe the destruction. Elephants do? Yeah. Yeah. They destroy, they devastate an area. And then what they have to do is they'll shut that area off and move them into a whole nother area. We're talking sometimes millions of acres.

They'll shut off a quarter of it and let it regrow. Right. Because the elephants have devastated it. And then they call them to keep them, you know, their populations to a certain... You know, when a species overpopulates, you start to get more disease. So anyway, I just see it that... I think we're just in a very critical place in our planets.

And I think maybe another species like we do values this place for maybe us, but it's probably not just us. There's millions and millions of other species. And maybe there's not a lot of that out there, plus we're a resource. We have a lot of resources here, chemical, genetic, just a ton. So I don't know.

Again, I think that we have to just realize that it's happening at all before we can really start to get to.

craft with these little weird spindly alien beings that's a good question it's a really good question yeah i haven't had anything like that but but i've heard it um that raises a lot of questions why why would that be have you ever heard any uh interesting ideas why from anybody you know I think the – well, I've spoken to people about it.

They feel like there's been some kind of agreement that was made a long time ago between this dominant species and us. And there's kind of like an educational program going. There's a mutual agreement of sharing to help us evolve and then allowing them to do certain things. I've heard that for years. I never thought that was true. There's a lot of stuff I'm like, ah, that's just crazy.

But when you hear it over long periods of time, and then you have conversations with certain people that are, in a place of power or whatever, and you hear that same story, you start to take it seriously. I used to think our government didn't know about this. And it was a bit of a shock to find out that they did. And actually I felt hope, you know, when you deal with it for a long time.

You hope that your fellow man, somebody in our species, is on it. And they are, which is actually a plus. For all of us, really. Because the biggest fear I had was like, oh, no, no one really gets it. And no one's paying attention. But yeah, there's a lot of those types of things in this phenomenon that...

are truly unbelievable to me you know but i've seen enough to say yeah i can't count that out i can't count that out um gary nolan has done amazing things i think he's a great mind here and as is michael uh masters and a lot of these people are just you know have you ever talked to gary did you ever scan your brain Um, I've talked to Gary twice. No, no, we haven't got to that point.

Cause he's been basically even focusing on military, um, military people that this has happened to.

So that's the other interest. Just plainly, the interest that these things have in people they've taken are your genitals and your brain. Pretty much everything else as far as I know, they're not that interested in.

I'm sure it came from the experience.

No doubt. Yeah. In my experience. Yeah. So you get influenced by something that is not supposed to exist. And you have to adapt.

there's nothing like that that i'm aware of better than any kind of drug you could ever take it's harsh yeah it's harsh um and then you you know it instills a bit of fear you know the reality is when you see something like this you are not gonna be happily waddling along saying, yeah, I want to go for a ride. You know, take me, take that. That's not the truth.

Yeah.

I think there is an effort. That's the odd part. But to think that it's going to be easy and that you're not going to encounter your primal instincts is, uh, it just happened. It's not that you're trying to think it there's like primal instincts in you where you're like a caged animal. Yeah, essentially. And you respond like a wild animal to them.

And I think it's extremely difficult to confront that and to get over that. It's not easy in my experience. I haven't – I just have a hard time with people. I've heard it a few times and I'm not trying to hurt anybody. It's just not been my experience that, yeah, I went with them and it's like, Hang on a second. So what about that first chemical dump that happens when you see them?

What about having absolutely no control of the situation? You're okay with that? Like completely no control and they're physical and they're real. And not only that, there's a whole bunch of other things going on that we are just not used to. So anyway, it's just – there's another aspect of this too is if you don't – a lot of times these people are anesthetized in some way.

So it takes away that – your ability to feel essentially, get into that primal mode or flight and freeze or freeze and –

If you kind of like, I haven't had anything, any, anything remotely like that. So I just feel I've heard it from enough people. Friends of mine have been through this to realize something. There's something to it. I just said nothing like that. Yeah. I think that would even make it more damaging in some sense to know that part of your own species is involved in it. Yeah.