Ravyn Lenae
Appearances
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah, I found some girlfriends that I love. Love, period. But I think having those friends who are in the industry I work in is equally as important as the ones who aren't. Right, exactly. Because sometimes it's nice to just see friends and not talk about work or music.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Oh my God, that's so real. That's so true.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Or when you're doing this, when you're dropping this. It's just like being able to separate it and exist in both worlds is something that I found a lot of value in.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm with you. I do. I feel like one of the best parts of making music is getting to see the people who love it in real life. Totally. And see how the lyrics stick.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
That's so true. I feel that too. It's like, it feels like I've told them, like I've told my family, I'm like, it's like normal human time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
So like getting to do normal human things with normal human people is important because doing this, like you, you like genuinely, once I started doing this, I was like, I get why people go insane.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I totally get it. It makes a lot of sense. It's way easier to, yeah. I own devices with no support system.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
who knows what i'd be doing i'd be crawling up the walls and shit i'd be going nuts i'd be walking on all fours with my head turning all the way around like i would be so bad for me i would be going nuts like i really would without like a strong support system like of people who knew you before exactly this happened to you exactly i love that you have that too and i love that you keep your family so close to you too like yeah me too i'm always like plus four yeah exactly okay final ask two
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
final ass bless you i love that so when i saw your family come in i was like oh she's me yeah i know i take them i even like i'll take my sister on because i travel you like you i'm sure you travel all the fucking time so do i um and so sometimes i'll my sister will be like i don't have to go and i'm like yeah you do
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
just to come and hang out with me i just need you to be there so i can when i feel like i'm going cracky yeah i could just look at you yeah and then i'll feel better it's good you can articulate that because i think when i was like when i was a teenager touring and i felt those isolated moments i think i felt bad about needing help and just asking for people to be there right you know
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And like for no real reason other than just like grounding. Exactly. It's like keeping someone there that knows you. Yeah. And gets you and reminds you of who you really are. Because I feel like even when you add in now like the added layers of like social media and like obviously entertainment, news, whatever.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
When you mix all of that shit together, sometimes it can get really hard to like see yourself for who you really are. Because you're looking at yourself through other people's lenses all the time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
There's real people behind streams and comments and likes, you know, who really sit with the music. So I think I'm just always so...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
and how they talk about you yeah about you how has that been for you as far as like being perceived on a very large scale i think i'm doing much better with it than i like was when i came out you and me both girl um i used to read every comment and take everyone personally yeah yeah i think you have to have like more of a callous attitude right and like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Also understand that people are coming from a whole different perspective in life than you are. So sometimes whatever they're thinking about you or whatever they think about the work you put out, it's coming from a place that you might not even understand.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And that's sometimes I just have to literally put that lens on and be like, it's cool. It's not for everybody. Maybe it's not for you right now.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Maybe I'm not free, you know.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And that's like, again, a very subjective opinion. Like art is very subjective. So like it's to say one is good and one is bad is just like not fair. Exactly. And it's not said in good faith because art is art regardless. Whether it's well received by a lot of people, by a small part of people, by a medium sized amount of people, it's still art regardless. Right. But I get that too.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I feel like, especially someone like an artist like yourself is like, you're putting out something very vulnerable. And so to hear people say rude or callous things, it's like, of course it's going to rub you the wrong way because it's like, this is coming from a very truthful place. Exactly. And it wasn't meant to like be perceived. Exactly.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It wasn't, it was like almost like someone reading your diary.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right. When they listen to your songs, it's essentially what they're doing.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And to hear someone be like, I don't like it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
For no real reason. I just don't like it. You're like,
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
shocked whenever i see people show up yeah really know the songs and are crying yeah so like so fired up to see exactly i'm i'm honestly that's so t and i'm with you because obviously i'm not an amazingly talented like singer or musician which i think their touring is probably a lot harder i just like i'm a dickhead online so my i went on a book tour this summer yeah for a month and like did 22 cities us i hate touring really what about it i
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Or what annoys me sometimes is when people tweet like, I've been seeing a lot of this album. Should I listen to it? And it's like, if you want to listen to it, like why do you need to be told to listen to it? Like that drives me crazy.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
You know what? That's actually so true. I'm really glad you brought that up because sometimes like I came out with a book this year. That's what I toured. And like it's overwhelmingly did well, thank God. Yeah. But thank you very much. And congrats on your album, by the way, your second album.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
But I feel like when I recently I had like a couple of someone like took an audio from my audio book and like clipped it and then it started doing well.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Months after it came out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And then I started seeing people use it and then say. Should I get the book now? This is kind of convincing me. You know what? Don't. That's what I want to say, but even though I don't. Yep.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
But it's like, if you can't, like, I need people to think for themselves.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right. And sigh for themselves. Yeah, no, exactly. I'm like, I know, like, if I want to listen to something, I go and I listen to it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah, just listen to it. You need 20 people to like it. It's kind of scary.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah. And like watching other people talk about it. They're like, you know what?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
You've actually convinced me. I think I'm going to try it. It's like, and now I know I like it because you told me to like it. It's just like, or no, I know I hate it because you tweeted it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It goes both ways. I always know people are coming from different places. I don't take it personally.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Sending love and light. Sending love and light.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
So speaking of social media, how has it been for you? Do you deal with hate online? Do you get hate?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I wouldn't say hate, but, I mean, people's opinions.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It's like trolls. Yeah, trolls. Trolls, yeah. I feel that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I think I just try to ignore it and just think for a second, and then I see a good comment, and then I'm like, okay.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
There you go, yeah. That's what I tell people. Yeah, I'm like, I always ask my guests that because it's a varying degree of answers. Like, sometimes people are like, oh, yeah, all the time. Sometimes people are like, not really. Like, it's kind of just like what you just said. It's very varying. Mine is always and constantly, but that's my choice.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
That's the choice I made when I decided to antagonize men for a living.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
i expected that deep too they come in deep oh yeah girl they they they've had my face on wanted posters all over reddit forever you know i mean they hate me on that app oh they hate me over there someone once asked me they asked me do you have you ever read your snark reddit page oh lord and i go no yeah don't and i go i i had one of those before snarks became a thing like like it's just a bunch of pages of men who fucking hate me like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
yeah no i know they don't like me over there i don't need to go check yeah no like i get it like trust me i get it well that's good i'm glad to hear that you don't get a lot of hate and just it's more so just random trolls like random stuff yeah my fans are so thoughtful and nice like even if they don't like something they're gonna say it in the most respectful way like they're real yeah yeah i know sometimes they're a little too real i'm like okay oh wait okay well relax exactly i was like you're a fan i can't tell
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
um okay well are you on tiktok a lot no no not really not really must be nice i'm looking at you through a window but i feel like i get the good ones through my sister oh that's good like i know if i get them the neat like these are the ones that's good that's good no i'm happy that you're not on there trust me stay away really y'all stay away from that i know it is very fun but it is a vortex you know whether it's for good for better or worse honestly
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
But there is a new kind of trend going on on TikTok, so that's going to bring us to our topic. We're just going to key about it, but we're talking about breaking the mold of traditional gender norms, unpacking a current trend of men on the internet complaining that modern women are, quote, entitled and ungrateful. Okay. Which, like, I mean, par for the course. They say that all the time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And sometimes when people ask me like, oh, have you seen this? And if it has to do with an awful man, I promise I've seen it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
No matter on the deepest, darkest corners of the internet, I've seen it. Trust me, I've seen it. Sometimes I see it far before other people see it. And they're like, oh my God, queen, have you seen this guy? Yeah. Yeah. In 2022. Yeah, I saw him in 2022. Yeah. Unfortunately for me. So this first clip is from a podcast episode called Why Your Man Should Have a Say in What You Wear. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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That's a really long title. I'm like, first note out the gate. Simplify, right. Abbreviations. Okay, two men are interviewing two women about an incident that happened to one of the women late at night. The man says, aren't you so grateful your man was there to protect you? And the woman responds, well, no, I'm capable of protecting myself.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
The men get offended and post this clip with the caption, modern women are ungrateful for the protection of men. Which, believe it or not, Raven, that is not the first time I've ever seen a man say something like that. That's probably the hundredth thousandth time I've talked specifically. But I've seen this exact tweet. Do you ever get any misogynistic comments?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I just told everyone I felt like I was living on the run. Yeah. Like it's just, it's a lot of me like wiping shit down and just in there long enough to shower and then leave and wipe all my fingerprints off everything. That's how it felt. I felt like Jason Bourne.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Or anything that could be perceived as misogyny?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Not really. My fan base is pretty gay, honestly. You and me both, girl.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You and me both, girl. One thing about me, the gays got me. They got my back. Yeah. I love that for you. That was fantastic.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
those type of comments thank god honestly and is your uh fan base like real protective very protective i love that very protective okay i love like whenever there could be an issue they clear it up right they're like no actually yeah i love that i love them they ride like that they ride i'm like oh i didn't even have to tweet right
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I know I love when they're like, it's a real self-correcting angel system. I love it. Like they're like, one of my girls is going to get you in here. They're going to get you. They're going to correct that real fast. I'll be back later to check. I love that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And it feels good, I'm sure. It does feel, it feels good because I feel like, like they know my intentions with things and that feels good. Cause I'm like, okay, we've built a rapport with each other in a way where they like, they know where I'm coming from.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Well, and also I feel like too, it's like critical thinking is very void. And a lot of online conversations, like there is no critical. It's not in the room. No, never. It's never present. And it's always like, I just woke up today and I don't know the context or nuance of anything. And it's frustrating because it's like,
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
whenever like people start saying shit or talking shit like trolls whatever trying to kick things up about you that are not true saying they're not true they'll be like well of course you're gonna say that of course there's just no winning either way so it helps and it feels very validating when you have fans who love you and know you and have followed you forever yeah and like followed your career for a long time for them to be like that's not true because of this yeah like to see them kind of like listening all the things that you would say yeah if you defended yourself get me
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Right. It's moved me to tears sometimes when I see that shit. I'm like, thank God. One of you is listening. Thank God.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Somebody has a brain. Somebody.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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It can really make you feel insane. I love like it's like I even said on the last episode, like that just came out with Raveena. I had Raveena on. Love her. My friend Teffy's described it as like sitting in front of a one way mirror.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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That's literally what it is.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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so it's like you're like in an interrogation room and you can hear everything people are saying but you can't see them and they can't hear you like no matter what you say they're not listening and it feels so suffocating that's exactly what it is so i i totally get that having fans that are writers they're like one thing about her she's gonna she's got me you know she gets me thank god oh my god you're all thank god one of you's listening to me thank god
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Okay, so we have these men saying women are ungrateful for the protection of men. Yeah. Are you ungrateful for the protection of men? I don't know what that means for real. Yeah, me either.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I've talked about this before in the same lens of men being like, oh, what do you like? You want you hate all men. What happens when you need us? Yeah. When someone breaks into the house or whatever. Yeah. I always think like the same thing that would happen if I was alone. Yeah. like that's probably what's going to happen. Like, what do you, what are you fucking talking about?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Like, there's just two of us now. Like, what do you mean?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Like, I just hypotheticals.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah. It's always like, and what if, yeah. What if I killed you? Like we could go down that route too. Like there's just such a pointless conversation to have.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But I always think, um, you know, on a more like somewhat serious note, like the few times I have seen women get harassed in public or like, whether it's like sexually harassed or just in general, um, Do you know how many men are around and not doing anything? Yeah. It's true. So, yeah. It's true. No, I'm not leaning on y'all. That's for fucking sure. Like, you guys don't do that shit normally.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And that's including brushing my teeth. Right.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah. But in their head, cosplaying as, like, don't talk to her that way.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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It's just the hypotheticals. Yeah. And I also feel like certain things or certain situations don't have to turn into, like, this match on men's side of life. But what if, but what if, but what if? I think two things can be very true, at least about me. I can love the men in my life and respect them and know that they'll show up for me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Exactly. That's not normal. Yeah. Did you do a tour bus or did you fly?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But I can also acknowledge that a lot of violence towards women is inflicted by men. And that we aren't protected in a lot of spaces. So I think the instinct... for a lot of men to get defensive and get, uh, up in arms about some of the things we say and some of the things we are sad about, um, regarding men. It's just, I don't, I don't keep men like that in my life.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I did a sprinter. Oh, nice. And then I flew sometimes whenever the drives were way too long.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Amen. That's what I say. I say the same shit too. Sometimes when people have told me like, are you just like this all the time? Yeah. I'm always like, well, no, cause I don't hang out with men. I fucking hate. Exactly. I don't surround myself with people like that. I don't, I don't see them on the regular. I don't see them constantly. Like,
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I just I'm I do it online because I come across it and then I make fun of them and then I move on. Yeah, I know. And that's I think that's the greatest irony is that, like I said, context and nuance. Yeah. Missing always. Yeah. Because I've said on this show. Exactly. I've said when women tell me if women tell me I hate all men, I don't ever correct her.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah, because clearly she has a reason for feeling that way. And who am I to tell you you're not allowed to? I'm not. That's not my thing.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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lived experience so i am not in a position to tell you how you can and can't feel and that's essentially the the genesis of my intersectional feminism yeah is driven by autonomy so it's like women's right to choose how they act how they move how they feel about things right so i said that and then all of a sudden someone clipped that shit put it on tiktok and said well clearly she said she hates all men stop it that's i actually didn't say that not even a little bit but it's not shocking to me that men don't listen so
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But yeah, it was a good one. I think this is one of my favorite ones. Mainly because the group and my friend Arima opened for me. So just having another woman on tour, I think, made a big difference for me. My family, my mom and my sister always try to catch some shows. So they caught a majority of this tour. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I was like, it's crazy how you just like don't listen. The joke's right this time. Yeah, it's crazy how you just like don't listen. Crazy. Crazy how that works. Yeah. And I've had so many men like try to take a very logical approach to like, Well, the way she chooses to be mean to men is like, what about men who are not bad? Men who are not genuinely not bad and don't know they aren't.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Don't care about me. Like I don't bother them.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Not even a little bit. Y'all just committed full Twitter pages to trolling and sliding and undermining.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Right. All women. Any and all. Like every single woman actually like to exist ever. Yeah. Especially famous women. That's why I was like, when you have women who are singers and artists or models or whatever, express any sort of opinion, boundary, anything like that, jump down their fucking throat. Attack them immediately. And when men do it, they're like, well... He's got a good point.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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He has boundaries. I love that for him. It feels so elementary, I feel like, to explain it. So sometimes I'm like, they're like, why don't you educate them? I'm like, well, they didn't come out of my cooter, so that's why. He's not my responsibility. That's why.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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and those personalities i typically don't want to be educated hello i just think it's it's all the debate and yeah and like for who yeah that's why sometimes when they're like well debate me well and why would i do that so my scalp can be even drier i don't want to do that waste my fucking time i don't want to do that they don't stress you out Girl, no. I feel like they don't stress me out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Well, you know who stresses me out? Honestly, you know who stresses me out more is when women are like, well, what about if women don't like me?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah, sometimes. Not a lot, but I would say more than you would think. I would say if we're looking at a percentage, it's like 100. It's probably 80% men. I got like 20 women. 20 is a lot.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I know shockingly and I'm like I'm fighting for you girl and honestly if they're white women I'm like and you're ahead of me in line what the fuck like I'm fighting for your equality bitch and you're cutting me you're in front of me in the line and I'm fucking fighting for you it's crazy but I know that's internalized misogyny so like I have a lot more empathy for them.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I have a lot of empathy for them, but at the same time, my empathy can only extend so far. Before it's like, okay, you're sinking your own ship and I got to keep it moving and help everybody else who's not stuck in this wheel of like, oh, I need men to like me. I need men to like me. I feel like de-centering men's validation has freed me. I was like, I'm free.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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That's a big task.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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It is. It is. It can be very... That's a big task. I can be very taxing.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And I feel like, especially in the industry you're in, too, like, I feel like that's why a lot of women band together a lot of times. Because it's, like, it can, like we talked about earlier, it can be very isolating. But also, like, sometimes misogyny is very subtle. And it's very, like, minor. And it's very, that's, like, the most sinister form of it to me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Because there are, I think, more men like that than there are men who are, like.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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get in the kitchen yeah you know what i'm saying like yeah those men you could spot from a mile away but there are other men who are a lot more subtle with their misogyny and those are the men who don't like me because it flares something a little bit you know what i mean so well i'm like par for the course they hate me we all know that okay so i'll read some of the comments on this this says she can defend herself lol i'm starting to think these women have been over protected and pampered they are clueless
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I get that. I totally get that. And you know what's funny is I felt the same way you did where like performing was the best part of it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I find it very strange when you, when like women are talking to a very outright misogynist and you're like, I just don't want you to be mean to me. Like if that's cool.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And then men go, well then I should be able to punch you in the fucking face. You're a psycho. Like, Hey buddy, see a doctor. Like you need help. Like their first instinct is to be like, and what if I tried to kill you?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Then what? yeah I was talking about like I was talking about being nice but you're talking about murder okay I'm like some a lot of these interactions just show more about like the other person right like that's what I take away from it right you got a lot going on right yeah I'm actually scared like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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hair weird and i don't like it it's giving me bad weird okay this next one says i can protect myself like they're mocking her yeah the independent women are too independent y'all keep this up and y'all are going to be marrying a cat and drinking henny to sleep huh
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It's everything in between. That's awful.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
drinking henny hennessy specifically why every single bitch drinks hennessy okay do you like hennessy i don't really like hennessy to be honest yeah i don't it hurts my stomach talking about me i feel like well i just think pooping my pants is not really my vibe that's why i don't like any kind of whiskey or anything no anything dark like turns my stomach mine too yeah completely
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Everything around it. I don't think people even realize or think about, you know, like...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I don't even really like drinking that much anymore. I feel like – well, I just feel so old, like, mentally. But I feel like I drank too much in college, and that's why I was like – You just got turned off. I'm good. I'm good after that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Maybe it's just the season.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Now I have, like, a few fun – a fun drink. Little spurts. Yeah. Like an old white mom.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
yeah drunk off two glasses of champagne that's me that's my kind of vibe too that's my drink of choice is always like champagne because it doesn't hurt me what about yours it just feels fun yeah champagne like a little little stuff look cute well i love wine yeah do you like a white or red right really i like more of a white but i think it's because i'm i'm a baby when it comes to the taste the red wine's intense
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
something as basic as eating right getting exercise stretching right sleeping like all those little things that make you a person like a normal yeah yeah and able to function exactly i know i can't even imagine doing what you do too because like singing for that much like that long duration of time the show itself and then also multiple days in a row yeah i'm sure is extremely taxing yeah what's your kind of like vibe on tour as far as taking care of your voice and your
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
okay i haven't drank it in a while though so maybe i need to re-up i can see because you like champagne so it's like a softer sweeter yeah lighter i like a like a riesling or a pinot red just feel grown that does feel really grown huh damn you're inspiring me not gonna want to try like in a red wine in a bath exactly grown grown grown grown hair up in a clip see he didn't say red wine
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
He doesn't get it. Wrong. He doesn't know. This last one says, this is why no one wants to get married anymore. Oh, God. These women think they're men. The United States has made y'all delusional. The United States?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
What do I got to do with the United States? What the fuck?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Okay. I'm assuming because the United States is, and this is not saying much, far more liberal for women. Yeah. And that's not saying much, is it? Considering we're still fighting for our bodily autonomy. So clearly that's not doing much. This is why no one wants to get married anymore. These women think they're men. I don't really, I feel like the idea of a gender role is exhausting to me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm more of a capability kind of person. So I'm like, I just think like whoever's best should do it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Are these people like in real relationships? Oh, I think that all the time. Because how real relationships work.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
like there's usually some tug and pull right and you do this because you're better at this right i do this because i'm better at this exactly kind of even each other out it's really that simple isn't it people like in a room with a tv with matches on the floor like that type of that's what i think right i'm like i don't think you've ever spoken to a human woman ever ever considering that's why i've said before like my my fiance like he loves to cook i don't yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And he prefers to. And that's okay because cooking is not a gendered thing. Believe it or not, we can all learn how to boil an egg.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm the same way. I'm like, I'm not about to torment us.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm not about to torture us with my cooking. And honestly, I just like, I get bored. Yeah. Standing there cooking. Just standing there. Yeah, like standing. I feel like I'm shackled to the fucking oven. I'm like, oh, I'm stuck here and I want to talk.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm not a cook. I'm not a cook.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
No, I'm a yapper. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
i love to yeah you keep them company while he's doing exactly i'll entertain i'll sit and tell a story i'll sit and tell a long-winded story yeah that's you don't like to cook either um not yet yeah not yet maybe in the future maybe in a different part of my life but right now i just can't focus on it And then I'm like, usually when I think about cooking, I'm already hungry. Right.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
So like cooking. And then like, I noticed not about to be as good as the place next door that I can order from.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Carol, what am I doing all this for? Every time I have dishes, I'm like, see, this is, see what happens when we eat at home. We got to clean. Do you see what happens? We have to clean.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
We have to wash dishes. I don't got to wash dishes. I can walk. So I'm kind of saving the earth a little bit. You're so me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'll tell myself every excuse in the book. I'm like, if you think about it, I'm actually saving money. If you really think about it, if you really think about it, I'm actually saving money and the earth and, and so many other things. And also I'm, I'm putting money in the hands of people who need it. Yeah. See, I'm tipping. Well, if anything, I think about all of that. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
i'll tell myself every excuse in the book i'm like this is right and especially too with traveling all the time it's like it's fucking hard to have food at home when i first started doing this and leaving all the time i felt like every time i came home the first thing i had to do was empty my fridge because all my shit you don't want a grocery shop because you got to leave again no for real it's like impossible
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right. Literally. That's what you said. Eating on the road. Yeah. I felt like was a task in and of itself, too, because I was so tired.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And do you glam before shows?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I glam before shows. It's a lot of work.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It is. You know what's funny is halfway through our tour, because I toured with my sister because we have our own podcast, too. And so like the two of us were doing it, performing every night together. And so like we had to take turns getting glammed.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And like halfway through, I was like, I feel like every time I've watched a documentary movie about going on tour. Yeah. there was a lot of jack around time. There's like, these men are like, they're riding scooters and they're like playing soccer and they're like having fun. No, and I go, and then I realized they don't have to sit and fucking glam for two hours. So I have no jack around time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
As soon as I get to the venue, I have to get in that fucking chair and start getting ready immediately.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Sound check, test the sound, come back and get ready.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I have to do a sound check too, which is so silly because all I'm doing is sitting up there telling people to suck my wiener. I shouldn't have to do a sound check for that. I don't have an in-ear for that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
How long were your sound checks?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
They were probably like, I'm complaining, but they were probably like 10 minutes. Okay. Yeah. Yours are probably an hour. How long are yours?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Um, 45. It depends. Like 45.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
What do you typically do for a soundtrack? Do you just go, do you go over every song or do you kind of just test levels with certain levels?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
That's something with each tour I feel like I'm getting a better handle of. Like with this one, I tried to make sure I ate well and not wait until the last minute and having to sit in the Burger King drive-thru. Right, right. That's happened in the past. So just like being proactive about those things, making sure I'm getting the most sleep I can.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I test some that like, I don't, it's kind of a vocal warmup for me too. So I like to do like some of the harder songs, but it's just a good moment to like get a feel for the venue, like the sound people get it out in. Um,
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
yeah but like yours is real professional i'm like oh i'm like oh i just stand up here and be like testing testing one two three and then they go okay you're good and then i walk back but you're right it's like it's no downtime really no there's none did you see the city did you no i didn't i really didn't me too i'm like i didn't see shit yeah i haven't seen i opened my eyes i came i went to i saw the inside of a hotel room yeah i saw the inside of this green room yeah and i'm gonna see the inside of my eyelids because when i leave here i'm gonna wake up in nashville that's it yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
when i leave here i'm waking up in a different city yeah it's exhausting it is it's like that i think that was like when i got home from tour yeah the first night in my own bed you felt it oh girl i felt like i was i felt like what i believe dogs feel when they have the zoomies that's why i felt like i was going insane again in my own bed but i was just like had tears in my eyes because i was just so grateful to be home it's the best feeling oh my gosh i know it's like my smells
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
yeah my clothes the smell thing is so real i felt so keen i felt so akin to smell on tour yeah which like in every every venue got its own thing oh my gosh it has its own smell put a candle on your rider put candles on your rider that's such a good idea this is my first tour doing that and i was like this saved my life that's such a good idea oh my god i'm for sure gonna put candles on your rider i'm like carrie because carrie's my assistant okay carrie keep note of that
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
That's such a good idea. Yeah. What is on your rider? What do you like having on your rider?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
This, I did like a really, this is my best rider. Oh, T. Okay. Space heater. You got that fan, uh, makeup remover with the cotton pads. You need both. Cause you will run out. Oatmeal. That saved my life this entire tour because we're leaving so early. And most hotels have just like the hot milk or hot water.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Just throw it in there real quick. Get on the bus. So you don't even got to think about it or stop.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I love oatmeal. I love a quick oatmeal. Mm hmm. i love a cafeteria oatmeal yeah exactly exactly i love those okay so you have oatmeal just really think about the stuff you really need when you go on tour yeah i like the little stuff you know right like halfway i feel like did you change your writer at all like halfway through if you got too many of one thing i was gonna 10 bananas in every city
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
and i was like i cannot get any more bananas we kept changing ours too because we're like okay we have 2 000 ramen so let's go ahead and change that one and we're like what else do we need what else do we need yeah we thought about that all the time too because i had so many people on the on the tour with us right so you're thinking about everybody's needs yeah what everybody likes yeah and like what people don't like i was like we can't even hold any more bananas right and they can't like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
they're all going back get rid of them i know we had a veggie tray i think the first week yeah then we had seven of them and we were like hey these are disgusting throw these out don't ask for those because you feel bad leaving stuff i know you take everything with you yeah but i'm not gonna use it
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm really not just take it off just take it off oh that's so real I know we one of our main ones because we were toying in the summer and I'm a big sweaty girl uh most of my family is we're all sweaty girls we would have them turn the air down to like as low as it can go oh my but I think it's because we were touring such old and small venues.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Um, also just for like mental health reasons, like telling my mom, like, I really would like you to be here and not being scared of that or, you know, totally.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Like it just takes a million years for it to turn on. Yeah. And we did one show in Chicago. The green room was above the venue and it was like an apartment and it was a little scary because it was giving brothel, which is a little scary. I know. And then, and then when we went downstairs, no air, not, not nothing. They had those big home Depot fans and that's it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
But then they had to turn those off once we started performing because it'll blow the mics and you can't hear us. And they're too loud. Oh, I remember when I went on stage, it felt like the Everglades in that bitch. I was like, it is a swampy in here. And I was literally telling him, if I was a patron, I wouldn't sit through that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
It was that humid and hot.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Chicago. Do better!
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
and they don't embarrass me and they honestly they didn't take their cut or anything because they felt so bad it was bad yeah they were like it was so bad we're so sorry about it like it had just but then i saw people saying that went to that show they've been to that video like this yeah they said it's always hot the air is never on i was like oh they lied to us
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
But I was like, I'm such a sweaty girl that I was like, this is miserable. I cannot. It was bad. Every person stayed the entire show.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right. And I'm not like you like singing and entertaining really. I'm just like sitting and making fun of them. And they sat through the entire thing, which I'm grateful for.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Still at lights, at like everything.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right. Did you ever have a performance where you were like, oh my God, everything's going wrong. I hate this. Oh, going wrong. Or just like stressful for whatever reason.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Funny enough, Chicago was my sweatiest show ever.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
This tour. But I wore the wrong thing, too.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I wore this thin... Did you wear a long sleeve? It was a long sleeve, but it was the type of material that clings. It's tight. And showed every sweat spot. Everything. Here, here, everywhere. Just push through.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
You're so me. Yeah. I did this. I brought almost my entire family on tour. I brought my fiance, brought my mom, my dad, my sister.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Just push through.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I come off stage. There's this song, I come off stage and, like, kind of pat down. And my tour manager was like, don't put your arms up anymore.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm like, man. They're like, arms locked. Arms locked at the sides from now on. We're swaying and arms are down.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I was like, oh, it must be bad.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Don't put your arms up anymore.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm like, we've reached. We've reached.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
You're like, oh, it must be bad. It must be bad. That's crazy. Oh my gosh. That's happened to me too. I'm the sweatiest girl alive. So, and it feels like it honestly also feels like it's never, and no one ever sweats. And I, when I, I remember recently I did like an interview thing, but it was in studio. And so I was like talking to one other person on camera and you could see my full body.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I'm like sitting on a stool and I had this, like, it's like a two piece, like it looked like a dress, but it's like a two piece thing. And it's really tight. Like, and it's like that silk thing.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Who else? Yeah, like I brought my entire team, everybody. I was like, I need everyone there to like... Literally, I felt like how Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas looks. By the end of tour, stitched together.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
right and i had hair down and it was like a turtleneck so it's like gripping my neck too and they they're like oh turn the air off i'm like no perfect perfect i love it turn the air off and they turn it off because obviously they don't want to hear it in the mics and so i was sweating like a motherfucker we had to keep pausing so that i could wipe off like towel off like a boxer yeah and then i remember at the end when we wrapped finally i was like oh thank god like i'm done yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
the sound guy came up to me was like oh can i grab your mic and it slipped off girl i was like my sister because i had it was blue like and i was like i knew i was sweating through it i just knew and i was like whatever my back looks like please don't hold that against me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
I have to say that all the time.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Girl, I'm like, if it looks horrifying back there, I'm so sorry. And I was telling Jason, like my sister, I was telling her it's also because that's a man taking it off me. And I'm like me not wanting to get caught slipping. Don't you hold that against me. Don't you dare.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
uh and i really was like and it's because i sweat through the sides to like armpits and everything yeah horrifying it's okay have you thought about like getting botox and stuff to not sweat i don't feel like you sweat as nearly as much as i do i'm nervous i'm nervous sweat nervous yeah that's t i never but like not like definitely my underarms but botox helps with i didn't know that
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Apparently, if you get them injected, it helps the sweat not come down. Because of pores? Yeah. Maybe something with the pores closed? Something like that. It's like it freezes them. And then what they do say, though, is that it redirects to another part of your body because the sweat has to come out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah. I'm like, it got to come out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah. So you still get hot, but it just redirects. And I'm like, okay.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
To a different place.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah. Because I'm more of a face sweater. Okay. That's like where it normally is. gushes out of me yeah but then i'm like well let me find out i get the botox and it goes to my lower back how is that any better or your feet or somewhere random then i have a different problem i have to figure out they gotta you gotta keep going back That's how they get you.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Okay, let me move on to this next one. That's how they get you. I'm like, back to misogyny. Okay. Speaking of sweaty. Okay, so in this video, a woman who makes dating TikTok says she's received a lot of comments that men would rather marry a, quote, traditional woman than a, quote, modern woman. She asked viewers if this is true and what the terms of traditional versus modern even means to them.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Right, held together by prayer and a whim. That's what it feels like. That's all that's holding me together at that point. Yeah. But I love that you're getting more of a...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And these men in the comments had a lot of thoughts.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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of course they did oh i'm so glad i want to hear what men have to say all the time everything this one says they're problematic have no self-control super narcissistic have no skills outside of a nine to five not feminine no self-preservation huh etc this is this is from a man this is a man a man saying why he hates modern women okay okay okay no skills outside of a nine to five
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
This is just such a huge generalization.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Like, is that not insane? Yeah, that's insane. Like, what am I supposed to be, a fucking cartographer? Like, they're like, oh, can you sew? Narcissist. Like, also teaching straight, awful men the term narcissist. It was a curse. It was a curse, but on this earth, bitch. That was one of the curses that came out of Pandora's box. That's for real. That's a lot.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
They should have never given him that word, the access to the word.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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because she asked what's the difference to men yeah like like why if you feel that way why and like what would be the difference between right a tradition and every time they say traditional what do they mean by that maybe a trad wife have you heard of trad wives no they're just it's women stay at home stay at home cook clean okay and they don't talk much
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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like a feel for what you like yeah totally and i know you came out with an album earlier this year sophomore album yes yes love that how has the reception been how's it been and obviously i'm sure i'm assuming the tour music you're touring yeah so i actually play the entire album and this is the first album of mine where i play the entire thing okay nice um
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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so it's like okay no talk no talking no thoughts no nothing um it's stay at home cook clean yeah it's basically like i've said before like men like that they say like oh i just want a homemaker i'm like no you fucking don't yeah you want a lobotomized bitch like that's what you want you want a bitch that is just standing there and does whatever you say and agrees yeah and agrees with everything you say and has no problem with anything you do and then cooks and cleans and serves you like a like i don't know any woman like that me
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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either that exists like ever yeah that's why i was like i think about i think even back generationally like in my family and i was like every bitch in my bloodline like i don't know it's loud as fuck like i don't know there's a lot of women in my family too so i think i'm just very used to growing up in a women dominated like space same and my yeah i'm someone so i'm i'm indigenous pacific islander so like i've told people before someone
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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So someone culture prior to being colonized is very matriarchal. So we've always, yeah, we've always held women in very high regard. A lot of Pacific Islander communities are the same exact way. So women have always been empowered in my purview, like in my perspective. So when I came outside and was like, yeah, I said, Ooh, that's what y'all doing it out here.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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yuck i said oh that's not gonna work for me it's not gonna work that's not gonna work for me these don't sound like real breathing women that's what i'm saying like who are they yeah i'm gonna say who are you referencing yeah like especially a lot of times they're young men so i'm like you haven't even lived long enough to meet enough women yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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let alone a woman exactly like the way you're describing. I don't know. It's scary. Yeah, y'all are scary. It says, I've dated too many strong and independent women or girl bosses. No more. Those women are not it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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well i can lie on the internet too they lie all the time and nobody is like i don't hey i don't believe you like when men say i've dated a lot of them i don't believe you i don't believe you i think you're a liar i think pixar didn't happen you know that's how i feel yeah okay i'll just i'll do this last shit comment but it says there's a third modern woman they're not independent or career driven but have a conflated sense of entitlement due to online validation
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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guilty as charged i'm the one validating them hoes you know what i'm saying like it'll be me every day all day until the end of time that's me bitch you're looking at her to me it sounds like some jealousy i think men should be in men's comments like hyping them up a little bit if that's what they want exactly they're like there's a third one it's a and it's a bitch it's on tiktok it gets validated by somebody else
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I'm like men men seek validation from each other.
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All the time. All the time. I'm like no one needs no one needs validation more than like men like this. Yeah. Like and they need it from other grown men. Never from the women that they're allegedly liking and they want to date. The other day or literally like two days ago, I got back from a trip with my family and we were standing at the baggage claim and this old, this old ass white guy.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And I can say that because he was a dick. But like this old ass white guy, old white guys salivate over my boyfriend or my fiance and my dad because they're big brown guys.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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and my dad used to play in the nfl a long time ago and so like when they see my dad they're like sports like immediately they gotta say something yeah they're like sports sports and so this guy was holding my dad hostage a badge baggage claim talking about sports for god knows how long okay and my poor dad my dad is so shy and like anti-social that my dad's just like
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I feel like this music brought out a different part of me as far as what I bring on stage and what I want to leave people with. So it can be something as subtle as not feeling like I have to move around the stage the entire time and feeling confident. And the songs and the lyrics and like being able to just hold the mic here and just stay there and sing. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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okay he just stares with with a smile on his face doesn't talk and they just talk at him for like 30 minutes so this guy's like talking his ear off and eventually we were like okay we gotta go so we leave and he my dad was telling us in the car what he was saying he's like yeah he's telling me about like baseball and he was telling me about you know his season tickets and he was telling me about like this guy's stats from college like all this shit random all about yeah baseball players what the fuck ever yeah and this man's like probably in his like 70s
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And I told my dad, I said, I find it shocking when men, like the only thing that makes up their entire personality is memorizing the accomplishments of men far greater than them. You're a fucking weirdo. You're a loser. Hey, you're a loser. You're a big fat loser, bitch. Not memorizing.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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that's all they have in their brain they can't talk about anything else like you are boring as fuck and you're a weirdo like sorry sorry and that's how all these men are like they're like again lobotomized like they they want to like just being able to cite off the 1965 world series mbps college
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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you are a freak hey you're a freak hey grow another personality i'm sorry find something else like and it's crazy how in the midst of him like telling my dad all this shit that nobody cares about um he made like a bunch of transphobic comments too how did that slip in girl i don't know i said huh like what the fuck you're talking about the world series and how did you get there oh i know why because like my dad was wearing a hat that was a yankees hat the yankees are in the world series
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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my dad doesn't give a fuck about baseball he just liked the color which honestly would have been so funny if he said that i'm a fan i just dig the color that's pretty much it but he talked to him about the yankees for 30 minutes and uh he was like yeah next thing you know they're gonna make they're gonna make them in in in different colors like for trans people what
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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what yeah what would that even look like and what does that have to do with baseball like why and then i told my dad i said that man is so old i could have pushed him over and he would turn to dust fuck you bitch like get out of here you geriatric fuck like i didn't even
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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girl and then I'm like and then you expect me to not make fun of you when I get in the car I'm going to yeah I was like I'm not surprised that that trans people scare you because you've been alive since I'm sure you were in grade school with Jesus Christ so sorry the world looks a lot different than it did back when you lived in Jerusalem you fucking old bitch that's why it makes me so mad I get so angry at old white people who act like that like it makes me so mad I feel like personally yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I said, girl, don't worry about trans people. Get your affairs in order. Because one fart and you're gone. You're done. You better get out of my face immediately. I hate old people. I don't hate old people. I hate old bigoted people.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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That's what I hate. But my point being like me going on a complete and utter tangent, my point being like men like that, that is a man who grew up, who constantly seeks the validation of other men. Like I said, and look, you are father time and you still care what men think about you. What a prison. That must be a prison.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You really got to feel bad.
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Really. Like it's just truly like that is sad. Like and I and I think I talk about that too. I'm like the irony of men getting so mad at me like like very specific awful men getting so pissed off at what I do is that if you fought with me it could free you too.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show. Sorry, me, your fave. Everybody knows me. Who cares about me? On to the guests today. We have the iconic, the legendary, the amazingly talented Raven Linnaeus. Welcome to the show, Miss Raven. Thank you, Wes. I'm happy to be here. Oh my gosh. I'm happy to have you. It's an honor and a privilege. How have you been?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Like, it hurts all of us. It doesn't just hurt women. It doesn't just hurt, you know, gay people, trans people, non-binary people. It's everybody. It hurts everybody, including men.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And I was like, it must be a prison to, like, feel like you have to perform every time you see other men. Yeah. That look big and strong. Yeah. Weird. You're a big freak. You're a weirdo. Yeah. What sign are you? What do you think? I don't know.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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So those subtle things that I think people really picked up on in my like development on stage, I think is something that I want to start to really curate and think about with with every album. Love.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You know what I mean?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I love y'all because I feel like y'all bring so much, like, structure to us. Yeah, planning. Real life.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You bring us, like, down. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Okay. Aquarians are always so creative. Yeah. Like, that's why it makes a lot of sense that you're an artist. Like, they're so creative in the way you see things. And Aquarians always dress fucking awesome. And they're always, like, your taste in music and art and everything, film. What else? Top notch. What else?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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about me just to wrap us I know we talked about all kinds of things but what I would love to to end on would be if you have any advice for
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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any up and coming artists especially young women and just people in general who feel maybe like I feel like this past year especially has been a really big year for women in music which is fantastic and I'm so happy that you're in there too I'm so excited about that but like yeah what would you say is your best piece of advice for people who are pursuing especially because you started so young and like like how to navigate it or how to like stay close to their art form anything like that
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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That's tough. I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that there are going to be a lot of voices and opinions and people who are older than you, who you think are smarter than you. But really zero zeroing in on what you want in your voice and the things that make you feel good out of music and like holding on to that totally and not letting all the other things cloud that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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so it's been good also seeing what songs people like it's always the ones you think like oh this is my favorite but they're not gonna like this yeah they're gonna like more of the other kinds of like singles and they're eating them all up eating like the deep the ones that i thought were like this is for me like they're not gonna like this yeah i don't care if you like it but i'm putting it on exactly i feel you
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I know that sounds like a big word salad that a lot of people may say. Yeah, but I think. It's crucial. Absolutely. And even just keeping family close is something that has helped me a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. Even moving from Chicago to a whole other city where I didn't really know anybody. You can just easily get lost and get swayed this way or that way. That's so true.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But I think channeling that inner voice and making it, for me, it's getting clearer and clearer the older I get. I'm able to hear it a little better. Thankfully.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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which is a wonderful thing and I'm glad you're listening to it too because I feel like women especially who like grow up essentially in the industry that you're in currently is like they almost get taught and trained to not listen to that voice because like you said it's easy to be moved so I think that's a wonderful thing and I do want to say too that I think you are fantastic and I think your art is so beautiful and I'm excited to see where you keep going I know you're on a real trajectory right now but I'm very excited for you
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And I'm on the ground floor. Where the fuck were you at? Exactly. You weren't here with me. Tune in with me. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I think you're fantastic and amazing and so talented. And for those who don't know, where can they find you?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You can find me on everything at Raven Linnaeus.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I'm like, did you say Europe? As if it's worth its name.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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thank you all so much for tuning in thank you to my amazing guest Raven for coming on for those of you that don't remember or aren't familiar new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday you can stream the audio on all streaming platforms or you can watch the video exclusively and for free on Spotify which is perfect because Raven Linnaeus whole entire discography is also on Spotify you can listen to that you can watch this episode and then you can go see her on tour in Europe if you would like and thank you all so much for tuning in thank you to my amazing guests and I'll see you next week bye
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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You got to have at least one. Girl, this one's for me. This one's just for me. And if everyone likes it, cool. Exactly. That's cool. I love that. And you have some crazy features on this album. What's it been like working with some of the artists you've worked with, like Childish Gambino, Steve Lacey? How's that been?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Childish Gambino has been someone I've always wanted to work with. So the fact that it happened so naturally and him being so interested in the story around the song he's on. was something really special for me. Because I could just tell that he cares about nailing it and making sure it feels true and right for the song and for me. So working with him was a dream.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I would love to keep working with him. Ty is incredible. He brought something to the song that I think it really needed. And literally that's the verse that people scream at the show. Love that.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah, so feeling that in person and just seeing how these songs really move throughout the world and through people is everything to me and it makes everything else around touring worth it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah, you're right. You're like, okay, well, this one thing. Yeah, exactly. So I'm very I'm familiar with your lore. For those that aren't, though, how did you get into music? What did you like? What kind of drew you to it initially? Is this what you always wanted to do? Is it kind of something that you're like, you know what, I've found this medium, I'm gonna write it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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So like, what's that journey like for you?
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I think from very early on, I knew that I wanted to be in music, entertainment, around it in any way I possibly could. I knew I loved watching artists perform on TV, seeing their videos. Something about it just felt right.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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It was calling to you.
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Yeah. Something about it felt like, oh, what they're doing is living in the world in a way that lives on beyond them. I don't know if I thought that as three-year-old. But something about it just felt... Like I wanted to be a part of it. Yeah, totally.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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And then being around music growing up, like my dad would show me different artists and play different music and just seeing how it moved him and my mom. I just feel like songs and music albums live with us through like each section of our life. And I think that's so special that we can like associate different periods and different times and emotions and heartbreak and things.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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different moments yeah in life are like they can be earmarked by music like certain songs or albums exactly that's very true yeah so that's something that i i think that i wanted to be a part of totally my family recognized that in me early so my grandmother put me in guitar lessons and piano lessons love and then um that's when i started to sing with doing piano lessons and i was like oh
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Oh, that's cool. Okay. So they noticed your musicality and then that's kind of how you found that you could sing too. Exactly. I love that. Yeah. I wish, I wish I woke up and I was like, Oh, I'm an amazing singer. I know everybody tells me that every time I have lots of friends who are singers and artists and they're like,
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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i bet if you practice i bet you could literally i mean maybe i mean i'm sure i feel like the ones like you or my friends who are also famous artists too like yeah god-given talent yeah like just given to you like you just woke up like you know what i'm saying there's like certain things i feel like you can't teach yeah because you're just born with it which i love and admire and you're one of them must be fucking nice whatever i told that's like i got hit with a funny stick and he said that's good enough
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I'm doing good. I just got off tour. So I've been thinking about all the things I've been wanting to eat on tour and I've been eating them.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Send that bitch down. Good enough. Good enough. She's going to be funny for a living. And T, look at us. We're living in our purpose. We're walking in our purpose now.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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See? Okay. So I know the original music that you released was unsigned and then it was once you did get signed. So how did that process come about with getting signed?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Yeah, so I was, honestly, so I met Monty Booker in Chicago when I was around 15. And that's when I started to make my own music. And with him, I kind of figured out what my style was and what I wanted to put out. So we put that out on SoundCloud. I didn't think anything of it. I just wanted to put music online.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But then people really started to gravitate towards it in Chicago and liked it and labels were calling. It honestly happened really quickly. And me being 15 at the time, I don't think I got the full scope of what all of that meant and what that type of attention meant and how to go about it.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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So it's been a good few days.
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it's kind of a blur like when I look back on it yeah so I signed and then I put out my moon shoes EP and from there is when I started it just kind of started snowballing from there and how has that adjustment been like that's one one thing I love to ask my artist friends is like how it's been adjusting to being seen by so many people and your art being consumed by so many people like how has that adjustment been for you and how do you feel now versus how you felt when you first started
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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How was tour? Your tour looked like it was, it's kind of spread out a little bit, huh?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I think it's a very different thing when you're releasing music at 15 with no other opinions. You're not even thinking about making money from something like this. Totally. So then you put on almost like a business hat after you're signed and things become very...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
Yeah, so we did the U.S. dates, which I just ended about a week or so ago.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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logistical and numerical and I think with that sometimes you can get caught up in what all those things mean and still being young and wanting to put out things that feel good for you without the thought of okay wait now I have rent now I'm 18 yeah like it has to do well yeah absolutely so I think that was the major shift for me of like this pressure of performance yeah and that translates also through persona and
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Online, engagement, all of that.
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It all plays a role now, especially. Exactly. But not so much when you first came into the world.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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This wasn't even that long ago. But when I dropped, I dropped it on SoundCloud. I don't even remember...
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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having like a posting schedule or people posting really on instagram about music or yeah totally like it was just a completely different landscape so things are just changing quick and we just gotta like i know i know that's true that's actually such a good point i feel like to be in that honestly you sound like a true artist like it's like the whole reason is to make the art it's not
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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it wasn't for anything. And now it's like, you have to have both. Like you have to still be in that place where you can feel inspired and create your art, but also keep in the back of your mind that, you know, numbers.
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And then I go to Europe in a few days.
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I was going to say, how has that been kind of blending those two or like kind of keeping a good balance? Cause obviously you want to do well, but at the same time, you don't want to compromise the art either for the sake of doing well. So how has that been?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I think, especially with this album, I was reminded of, like the more the logistical part of my brain comes into play, the more I kind of get away from like the reason I make music in the first place. And I think people can feel that.
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And are you excited for that?
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I think they can because even with putting out my song One Wish, which is like my best performing song to date, that's such a deeply personal song that I never thought would really resonate in the way it has. So that to me was a reminder of like, okay, like these things that live in me is the reason why people come to shows and they got attached to the music in the first place.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I am. I just don't want it to be too cold. It's the only thing I worry about.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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So it's okay to, you know, think as like a business woman or think about my future, but also trying to figure out that balance of like making sure the music still feels like me.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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True to you. Yeah. And what you want to put out, not necessarily what you know will chart.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I know, in the winter, huh? Like, start of winter. How was tour? Do you like touring?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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which i feel like most artists know yeah like you know what will chart like immediately and then artists also know yeah what they really want to put out and what makes them feel good so that's why i was curious how that balance has been i know all my artist friends that have come on the show have talked about like struggling with it in the beginning and then learning how to marry the two because unfortunately you can't have one without the other if you want to make money off your art right you have to be willing to play the game to a certain extent yeah
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Which is frustrating, but how has it been navigating just as a young woman in the industry?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Ew. I think with any industry, we just got to put in a little more work than our male counterparts. That's just what it is. We can't show up with our hair undone or our makeup off. But I also think... That's a question I've been asking myself a lot and what that means for me and what collaborating with women and reaching out to women, like what that does for us and the industry we exist in.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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I think of the Michael Jackson meme. Have you seen that?
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Like I'm sure even with you, you know, I think just across all industries, that's something that I don't think is going to change, but it's something that we just learn to cope with and figure out.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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Where he's like, I love to tour. He really hates to tour.
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Yeah. And finding other women, too, that you admire or you can kind of bounce things off of. Like, sometimes, and obviously, like, again, I'm just a dickhead influencer. So, like, I've told people whenever they're like, do you have any advice?
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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If they're, like, new and up and coming. Sometimes I tell them, like, you need to make friends.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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make friends in this industry that have the same job, that have the same kind of goals in mind, because it can be very lonely and isolating when you have no community in the job that you currently have. Because obviously you have your community, hopefully, from before recognition happens. But then a lot of those dynamics shift to once you enter this world.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
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But they made him say it. You're right. You're right. Actually, I have seen that one. Yeah.
The Comment Section with Drew Afualo
POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144
And then it's like you have like a whole plethora of problems that nobody can relate to like at all. And you're like, who the fuck do I talk to about this? I don't know who to ask about this. So do you have like a good community? Did you find that to be really helpful for you?