Ray D'Arcy

And as a result of that, what do I do?

That all makes sense.

Jenny has had an interest in this area for quite some time.

But on Monday's podcast, it was the first time we'd really chatted about it in earnest.

If I was with an anxious person who was like... We're not talking about people who suffer from anxiety.

We're talking about people in this... Did we not clarify that in the beginning?

Yeah, yeah.

We weren't a huggy family, but, you know, as in my family.

But we are a huggy family now.

Yeah, only in the last five, ten years.

Yeah, isn't that brilliant though?

Yeah, no, it is brilliant.

And I love the fact that I did and I made an effort and it was lovely every time I met her and every time we parted.

You were always hugging her.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm looking at my, I have a 30 second limit.

We had so many chats over the years on Today FM about PDAs, public displays of affection.

And a lot of people didn't like them.

They didn't want to be involved in them and they didn't want to witness them.

Yes, no, we get the message.