Ray Dalio

And then does the opposition remain and undermine everything you're trying to do?

So it's almost like it gets to mob rule.

That's why the dictators come to power.

Okay, so that's just history and that's all understandable, if not desirable, it's still understandable that that's the mechanics.

So to wish and say,

Okay, we need a strong leader who will get control and make everything go all right.

Sounds a little bit like wishing for the tooth fairy.

when you say um have a leader that way you're not dealing with the mechanistic determinants to say how do you get a society that is splitting apart and operating in the way that i describe to have a leader that leads and people follow properly okay you're skipping over that you can't skip over that

do you see a path though other than because the natural way that this plays out the only path i can see is the one that i'm referring to if you worry about the alternative okay okay if you worry look at that what is it you must not have it if the more people worry about that

then the more likelihood you won't have that.

In other words, if you want to tilt the odds in all the different ways, I don't know, take out the ads, have conversations like this, do whatever it is and say, I worry of what's going to happen.

So we must not have that.

And we really must have this other alternative.

I really want to buy into that other alternative.

And you have somebody arguing for that other alternative.

Like, will you follow?

Hold tight.

Let me just tell you the story very quickly of Mario Draghi in Italy.

Mario Draghi used to be the head of the European Central Bank, which was like being head of the Federal Reserve for a number of years.

And he and I got to know each other in that.