Ray Gutierrez

I had all this full set of hair, it was totally K-pop, and I had this like chiseled, now I'm like this older decrepit thing, and I'm like, I still have something, I can still kind of design something.

Yeah, thank you, thanks, right on, yeah.

Game recognizes game.

So I'm covered in tattoos, because I understand this vessel is essentially a billboard.

I want people to know who I am or what I'm about before they even get to know me.

How have you perceived that in the way you make money, or educate folks on how to make money?

Oh, dude, I get it.

Speak of Taylor Swift, there she is.

Who speaks of me?

And then the lights go out.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Behind the camera in front of it.

She understands the close to close circuit, how to really make music and how to really make money in the industry.

I followed the Taylor and Travis subreddit and I know all of the tea, man.

No one likes her on that Reddit.

He's the smart one, clearly.

Sorry.

Oh, yeah.

Even when I worked at PlayStation, I was part of the social media team back when nobody knew what the hell a blog was or Twitter was.