Ray Gutierrez

Right on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

if nothing else i have notoriety right on yeah yeah yeah uh it's funny because i kind of figured out early on like my second tattoo was my triforce i'm like put right on the hand i'm never gonna have a corporate job and my first corporate job was playstation so it was for some that's when i did the mammy thing again that was me doing the humble brag anyways there was a point to that

For sure.

Are you, are you a little jealous of Bella just hanging out here?

Do you want to hang out with her?

I was just going to say, this could easily become the Bella podcast, but you literally went through what most men either experience because it's part of being a man, either a separation.

I understood that wearing literally your emotions on your sleeve gets you through a lot of doors.

And you get it.

Like we understand the guff, especially as Miamians.

But you go through this evolution or you go through this ego death where I'm tired of sitting at home feeling successful, but I'm really not because I'm playing video games all day and being free of constraints isn't really success.

But once you start seeing all this ink and understanding that when you sit there for a six hour session as an entrepreneur, there's a lot going on here.

There's a lot going on there.

And you're sort of talk about what it's like to literally wear your story on your body.

Yeah.

You want it to ascend.

You want it much more than just, you know.

There's nothing wrong with that, man.

Yeah, for sure.

For sure.