Ray Gutierrez

So you must be 55, 60, and you have tons of great work done on you.

You're 112, clearly.

So what is it like operating at 26, but you've got the wisdom of 112?

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

I was going to say, you're not on Tinder.

You're, you're a beyond some other dating app.

Like how does, now that you've opened up this kind of conversation, this is the kind of shit that men want to talk about.

Like how do you talk to a successful, vividly entrepreneurial woman that's 26 and you're already working on your first 10 million?

It's funny you mention that because this has been a tale as old as time where there's the president of the United States and then there's the first lady.

And folks really think that's just like a side quest.

No, it's very much main quest material.

Like there's the president, which is like, what am I doing today?

Who am I yelling at?

It's really puppeteering.

It takes a real woman to draft or create the man.

There wouldn't be John F. Kennedy if there wasn't a Jackie.

And there wouldn't be a Jackie if it wasn't Chanel.

Maybe you didn't catch my meaning.

So talk about how folks have finally caught up.