Ray Reeves

We knew a few things. We knew he was our guy, but we were 50-50 whether she was still alive, like he had her someplace. And there was some deviant thing going on. Hopefully that was our thoughts. You know, I think that was maybe more out of desperation or hope that he just rendered her unconscious, drove her someplace and he's keeping her or something.

We knew a few things. We knew he was our guy, but we were 50-50 whether she was still alive, like he had her someplace. And there was some deviant thing going on. Hopefully that was our thoughts. You know, I think that was maybe more out of desperation or hope that he just rendered her unconscious, drove her someplace and he's keeping her or something.

I'll tell you one thing. Here's what I do on my interviews. I sometimes take a gigantic folder of stuff in that's messy. I'll ask another detective when I'm going in. I would just grab a huge folder and like, hey, can I borrow this? And they're like, what are you doing? I'm like, just watch. And I would just pull out stuff that didn't have anything to do with the case.

I'll tell you one thing. Here's what I do on my interviews. I sometimes take a gigantic folder of stuff in that's messy. I'll ask another detective when I'm going in. I would just grab a huge folder and like, hey, can I borrow this? And they're like, what are you doing? I'm like, just watch. And I would just pull out stuff that didn't have anything to do with the case.

And I would just pull out papers and, man, I can't find what I'm looking for. Man, my boss is going to kill me. I don't even know. It works. Being stupid in the interview really works well for me. It's disarming. It lets you think you're in control and you're the boss.

And I would just pull out papers and, man, I can't find what I'm looking for. Man, my boss is going to kill me. I don't even know. It works. Being stupid in the interview really works well for me. It's disarming. It lets you think you're in control and you're the boss.

Never? Have you seen it since then?

Never? Have you seen it since then?

How long do you think it was between the time that she got out and started using her phone until that green truck pulled up? Maybe five minutes. Okay. So, wow. So if she called somebody, they got there in five minutes to pick her up?

How long do you think it was between the time that she got out and started using her phone until that green truck pulled up? Maybe five minutes. Okay. So, wow. So if she called somebody, they got there in five minutes to pick her up?

And so I love denials. I just, I love them. And so all the things I let Lee, I think we, Michelle and I, let Lee build this phenomenal house together. of denials and put himself into a corner. And then even when we chipped away at those, we didn't do it in an aggressive way. Because the last thing I wanted him to do was lawyer up.

And so I love denials. I just, I love them. And so all the things I let Lee, I think we, Michelle and I, let Lee build this phenomenal house together. of denials and put himself into a corner. And then even when we chipped away at those, we didn't do it in an aggressive way. Because the last thing I wanted him to do was lawyer up.

You just said you weren't the last one to see her. You just said somebody in a truck. Let him talk and let him build this story, this house of cards. When he told me that I wasn't there, that was the initial one. And then proved to him, well, actually, we have some videos that shows you were there. I mean, I'm not saying you did anything, but you're there.

You just said you weren't the last one to see her. You just said somebody in a truck. Let him talk and let him build this story, this house of cards. When he told me that I wasn't there, that was the initial one. And then proved to him, well, actually, we have some videos that shows you were there. I mean, I'm not saying you did anything, but you're there.

And then he came off of that and built another story that she got in the car with some other people and drove away and let him build that all out, talk as long as he wanted to, and then chipped away at that and told him, well, no, she got in your car and you drove away.

And then he came off of that and built another story that she got in the car with some other people and drove away and let him build that all out, talk as long as he wanted to, and then chipped away at that and told him, well, no, she got in your car and you drove away.

When I catch him in the first lie, yeah, I began seeing there was a difference in how he spoke, how he moved, tiny little bit of sweat on his brow, his pupils, pupils dilating, hands were starting to move more. So all of those things that you know, okay, that's an indicator. I don't know what I did, but I hit something here that he doesn't like, that his body just involuntarily doesn't like.

When I catch him in the first lie, yeah, I began seeing there was a difference in how he spoke, how he moved, tiny little bit of sweat on his brow, his pupils, pupils dilating, hands were starting to move more. So all of those things that you know, okay, that's an indicator. I don't know what I did, but I hit something here that he doesn't like, that his body just involuntarily doesn't like.

So let's let him come up for air a little bit and get back to a normal. And let's poke and prod at some of those again to see if we can get that same reaction again.

So let's let him come up for air a little bit and get back to a normal. And let's poke and prod at some of those again to see if we can get that same reaction again.