Raymundo

We always thought we'd have like three.

And really, we didn't know.

My wife's one of four.

So that probably plays into it a little bit.

But we didn't know.

We thought we were done after three.

And then in December of last year, we had a miscarriage that was kind of unexpected.

The pregnancy itself was unexpected.

Obviously, like we'd never walked through that.

And that was like,

I, I did not understand like the devastation that came along with that.

Like when, when somebody else would be like, Hey, this is what we walked through.

I'd be like, man, I'm so sorry, but I had a hard time like sympathizing with that.

And then after walking through it, I'm like, and you know what these, these kids become, you know, those relationships and what they, what they grow into.

And it was just devastating.

And, um, I think that that was the moment that we realized, okay, well,

maybe we're not done.

Like we, we wanted this more than we thought we, we did.

And so, uh, um, thank God, Mike, you know, baby Ivy is here and healthy.

And, but it's, uh, it's pretty cool to hear our kids talk about it.