Red Széll

Yeah, it's a freedom and a total focus on what you're doing and the moment in which you're doing it.

And a freedom from daily care.

And I get exactly the same from climbing.

And to be honest,

I get the same from dipping into a really good travelogue or adventure story.

It's really unsettling, but it is again a triumph of human resilience over

Over overwhelming odds.

Exactly.

They go there, so we don't have to, Jacob.

I must say, I find bad nonfiction utterly unbearable.

And...

Good nonfiction makes you forget that you're being taught something.

It's more like being guided by a trusted and informed friend.

Bad nonfiction is the pub bore who just leans across.

I'm going to tell you another thing.

And you just can't wait to escape.

Whereas good nonfiction actually just feels like going for a fantastic walk with a friend and coming back enlightened.

I want to be educated, informed, enlightened, and I am giving up my time.

I don't want a load of waffle.

I just want clarity about what he's set out to do.