Reid J. Epstein

And if they do that, they think they'll win, that that'll be enough of the voters to win. They think that no matter how angry Democrats are at Elon Musk, 60% of Trump's voters will be enough to carry the day.

And if they do that, they think they'll win, that that'll be enough of the voters to win. They think that no matter how angry Democrats are at Elon Musk, 60% of Trump's voters will be enough to carry the day.

I mean, we've seen some of that already. We've seen Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez out on tour. drawing crowds of tens of thousands of people a couple of weeks ago.

I mean, we've seen some of that already. We've seen Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez out on tour. drawing crowds of tens of thousands of people a couple of weeks ago.

I saw them in Las Vegas with a pretty sizable crowd that was energized and really buying into the argument about billionaires controlling the country.

I saw them in Las Vegas with a pretty sizable crowd that was energized and really buying into the argument about billionaires controlling the country.

I think the Democrats in Washington who have gotten the most traction in opposition to Trump have adopted a message that hits that point, that billionaires are controlling the country for themselves at the expense of people who rely on government programs like Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. And that is...

I think the Democrats in Washington who have gotten the most traction in opposition to Trump have adopted a message that hits that point, that billionaires are controlling the country for themselves at the expense of people who rely on government programs like Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security. And that is...

really going to be the democratic playbook for the foreseeable future especially as musk and other billionaires seek to influence these other races elsewhere in the country and if musk is able to snuff that out in wisconsin and then elsewhere in the midterms there's going to be a lot of hard questions for democrats to answer about how they can be a majority party in the country

really going to be the democratic playbook for the foreseeable future especially as musk and other billionaires seek to influence these other races elsewhere in the country and if musk is able to snuff that out in wisconsin and then elsewhere in the midterms there's going to be a lot of hard questions for democrats to answer about how they can be a majority party in the country

Well, they may have no choice but to start sounding like Bernie Sanders and making the case that they are the party in opposition to the billionaire oligarchs running the country. You know, the question is, how do they finance a party like that, that itself has been very dependent on wealthy donors that have many of which have tried to steer the party back toward the center?

Well, they may have no choice but to start sounding like Bernie Sanders and making the case that they are the party in opposition to the billionaire oligarchs running the country. You know, the question is, how do they finance a party like that, that itself has been very dependent on wealthy donors that have many of which have tried to steer the party back toward the center?

It's hard for them to have it both ways, to both be the party of the masses of working people in the country and be the party that has to be financed by its own billionaires. And there may be a point in the near future where Democrats have to make a choice about which of those lanes that they want to travel on.

It's hard for them to have it both ways, to both be the party of the masses of working people in the country and be the party that has to be financed by its own billionaires. And there may be a point in the near future where Democrats have to make a choice about which of those lanes that they want to travel on.

Musk may be making that choice for them where they decide they have no tolerance for billionaires, even those that are friendly to them. Well, Reid, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Michael.

Musk may be making that choice for them where they decide they have no tolerance for billionaires, even those that are friendly to them. Well, Reid, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Michael.

I think, to be honest with you, it feels a little bit like we're all in a listless ship, kind of just spinning about. As a Democrat, it feels a little frustrating. We are a bit of a punching bag at the moment. We've lost sight of our values, and sometimes we get so overinvested into the policy differences that we end up separating ourselves.

I think, to be honest with you, it feels a little bit like we're all in a listless ship, kind of just spinning about. As a Democrat, it feels a little frustrating. We are a bit of a punching bag at the moment. We've lost sight of our values, and sometimes we get so overinvested into the policy differences that we end up separating ourselves.

I was also going to say hi to Shane.

I was also going to say hi to Shane.