Rep. Morgan Griffith
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But first, we're going to talk to Allie Beth Stuckey. Her new book, Toxic Empathy, is on the New York Times bestseller list. Toxic empathy is a great topic for me. You can follow Allie at conservemillen.com. Think conservative millennial. Conserve, M-I-L-L-E-N. Allie Beth Stuckey. Allie is spelled A-L-L-I-E. Stuckey, S-T-U-C-K-E-Y. AllieBethStuckey.com. Her podcast is called Relatable.
You can get it all the usual places. and she's Allie Beth Stuckey on YouTube. Again, that's S-T-U-C-K-E-Y. Allie, welcome to the program, and congratulations on New York Times Best Seller. Well done.
So, I almost don't know where to start with this conversation. I guess I would say I've talked about it on this show before, that this... I'm a good person. I'm nice. And I do what's right has become so misappropriated, it's actually become disgusting.
And I became acutely aware of it when I was up at sort of ground zero of this nonsense in Victoria, British Columbia, where they are actually very nice. But if you scratch under the surface, there's a... a, what's the word I'm looking for? A seething rage, a seething rage right under the surface.
So a lot of this misuse of empathy is actually a defense, a cover from actually being kind of a shitty person.
Let's sort of deconstruct what we mean by toxic empathy because real empathy, true empathy, has at its core a deep understanding of what the other person experienced, what they need, what their motivational states are. But there's, for me, there's sort of two things at the core here that make this so toxic. One is a seeming complete lack of understanding about
it's essentially human motivation and what people need and what makes them ascend to a greater good. And that's when people are their best and feel their best. And if you're really empathic to somebody, it's the equivalent of letting the drug addicts die on the streets here in Los Angeles. That is not empathy. That is disgusting. And empathy is hard. It's like, No, man, come with me.
Let's do this. Let's do the work together, whatever it means. Fighting against the disease, fighting against the defensiveness. But this sort of toxic empathy lacks an understanding of human need and human motivation. Is that about right?
In a weird way, I guess the empathy becomes adulterated by ideology. And then the empathy is used sort of as a cudgel. I was thinking about this today when I was thinking about it, which is, you know, I'm a good person. I would never say anything that would harm a transgender individual. So I'm going to keep my mouth shut because I would never be somebody that would hurt somebody else.
And then in the name of... As I keep my mouth shut, those with an ideological bone to pick and with the cudgel of toxic empathy will go to really crazy places and they don't care where they go. They don't seem to have any limits of where they go. What is that, do you think? That's no longer about protecting transgender. That's doing something else.
But I also see how seductive it is to go, I would never, if that's what they say they need, that I'm an empathic person, I'm going to protect them. I won't say anything. Oh yeah, Allie is phobic and she is interested in harming these people. That move of making you a harmful person rather than a person with a different opinion, again, that's toxic, right?
Well, speaking of harm, protecting feelings from challenge is how you harm people. The most significant advance in psychiatry is exposure therapy. Now we live in a time when the vast majority of psychiatric symptoms are treated with exposure to those symptoms to learn to regulate them. And so by keeping people away from their feelings, you are literally making them ill.
So I see this and I'm going to stand back and tell you, I have a sort of a medical frame on this. I don't disagree with anything you've said, but my frame is you are talking about patients who come to doctors to receive treatment. lifelong therapeutics with potentially dangerous medication and in very invasive surgical procedures that are also quite dangerous and potentially harmful.
You just mentioned a couple of the harms that people get into. That's the superficial harms. I worry about the liver failure and the hepatomas and really the serious things that happen. And so for me,
it is incumbent upon doctors not to be affected by ideology and to just rely on the scientific process that helps them select the right patient for the right treatment and in most countries that's the way they do it i have many transgender friend patients and the ones that do the best
were actually carefully assessed by first a doctor and then a psychiatrist, and then told that you're going to need these dangerous medications that I will manage and carefully administer possibly the rest of your life. And when it's done that way, it works very well. It's really good. But when it's everybody gets the same treatment as aggressive they want because of what they're feeling inside,
Boy, does that have the potential to harm people. And then they suppress the evidence that would help us assess whether we have harmed anybody with this. Because knowing that it harmed people would make them feel bad. So harm literally has taken a backseat to feelings now. So reality has a backseat to feelings. Harming patients has a backseat to feelings. It's interesting to me that...
You know, I know Caitlyn Jenner very well. I know Nikki Norton very well. And both the two of them are very opposed to surgery for children in particular. They're very circumspect about the condition that they have. And both of them had told me things like, you know, essentially think of my condition as like my handedness. It's just I have left hand or right hand.
This is just a feature of who I am. I'm not going to. get into anything else. And I'm certainly not going to champion an ideology based on this thing that I have suffered from and now I'm satisfactorily managed. But it really, there's going to be a lot of harm done because listen, doctors, if they're not selecting the right thing for the right patient, they harm people.
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