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They go down the hill. He forces them. And according to the investigators, he killed them within minutes. 20 minutes. And according to a blood expert, Abby was forced to put on Libby's clothes before she was murdered. So Libby's naked. But what happened between the guy on the bridge on Libby's phone saying, guys down the hill, they go down the hill? What interrupted him?
This town is so small. Right. Less than 3,000 people. When you really see it and understand how small that really is, how really everyone knows everyone, they weren't used to such a massive undertaking and such a big case, if you will, to be here in Delphi.
This town is so small. Right. Less than 3,000 people. When you really see it and understand how small that really is, how really everyone knows everyone, they weren't used to such a massive undertaking and such a big case, if you will, to be here in Delphi.
Oh, it was, oh my gosh, we have this evidence. The superintendent, Doug Carter, said, never in my life, Susan, have I had this much evidence. We have his face, his voice, his image, the way he walks, what he sounds like, and still no one's in custody. Did that feel crazy? It did. It did. To everyone thinking, why can't they get this guy?
Oh, it was, oh my gosh, we have this evidence. The superintendent, Doug Carter, said, never in my life, Susan, have I had this much evidence. We have his face, his voice, his image, the way he walks, what he sounds like, and still no one's in custody. Did that feel crazy? It did. It did. To everyone thinking, why can't they get this guy?
I think what they were banking on was a call from a family member to say, that's my dad, that's my brother, that's my uncle. I know how he walks. I know how he sounds.
I think what they were banking on was a call from a family member to say, that's my dad, that's my brother, that's my uncle. I know how he walks. I know how he sounds.
He came up early because apparently he was catfishing a lot of girls in the area by going under the name Anthony Schatz.
He came up early because apparently he was catfishing a lot of girls in the area by going under the name Anthony Schatz.
Exactly. With other young girls and using, you know what catfishing is, using a picture that's clearly not him. This was a young guy, a model, who then became a cop, who was interviewed years later after the girls were murdered and said,
Exactly. With other young girls and using, you know what catfishing is, using a picture that's clearly not him. This was a young guy, a model, who then became a cop, who was interviewed years later after the girls were murdered and said,
And the day of the funeral, Tara, Libby's aunt, went into CVS to blow up pictures of Libby for the day of the funeral and is crying, gives it to Richard Allen. He said, it's on me. I got this.
And the day of the funeral, Tara, Libby's aunt, went into CVS to blow up pictures of Libby for the day of the funeral and is crying, gives it to Richard Allen. He said, it's on me. I got this.
Then you get to Abby. She was dressed in Libby's clothes, Libby's jeans, Libby's zip-up jacket, Abby's shirt, her same shirt, Libby's bra, her bra, dressed, redressed, Libby no clothes. She remained in a position with her sweatshirt like this, which was Libby's sweatshirt.
Then you get to Abby. She was dressed in Libby's clothes, Libby's jeans, Libby's zip-up jacket, Abby's shirt, her same shirt, Libby's bra, her bra, dressed, redressed, Libby no clothes. She remained in a position with her sweatshirt like this, which was Libby's sweatshirt.
Richard Allen then says, I think maybe I've lost my mind. And his wife Kathy says, are you sure you want to talk over the phone? Richard says, I need you to know I did this. And this was in a whisper. And Kathy says, no, you haven't, you're unwell.