Rex Ryan

So when you're going to a place called the Red Brick Slaughterhouse, and I once asked Gerard this, I said, you know, if your parents knew this place was called the Red Brick Slaughterhouse, why are they sending you there?

And he said, Rex, do you think they even had the time to think about this stuff?

So he came from incredibly difficult circumstances and then at the same time, massive sense of community.

So if you're talking about the drama in the early days, you have that, let's say, once upon a time in America, noodles and the young lads.

You've got this bond that the people of the inner city had to have because of the neglect and then charting it alongside it.

There is an incredible journey of...

Let's take Gerard, if he is the vehicle, pulling himself out of that by hook or by crook, by any means, all of this up for dispute, how he did it, the moral ramifications of what he did.

But I'll tell you one thing, if I grew up in a middle class family, very lucky, challenges were there, but nothing like that.

small potatoes compared to that.

And I can tell you, if I was growing up in Summerhill in the 60s and I didn't have a dinner, I'd rob a butcher's.

No doubt.

And I'd rob meat from my family and my friends.

And I think he got himself out of that.

And then, like you alluded to, you've got this journey where

he worked through all of that.

And then let's say, moving towards Celtic Tiger time, was there something along the lines of greed that mirrored the country's greed where we all went wrong?

Because that was a time, I suppose, for Gerard of Fame.

That was the time of, would it have been the time of the Paul Reynolds interview?

All of that stuff.

And maybe us as a country were overreaching at that time as well.