Rex Ryan

And I think he got himself out of that.

And then, like you alluded to, you've got this journey where

he worked through all of that.

And then let's say, moving towards Celtic Tiger time, was there something along the lines of greed that mirrored the country's greed where we all went wrong?

Because that was a time, I suppose, for Gerard of Fame.

That was the time of, would it have been the time of the Paul Reynolds interview?

All of that stuff.

And maybe us as a country were overreaching at that time as well.

And now...

as you saw when you interviewed him, you've got a man who's in the elder category

the elder portion of his life.

And that's a portion where generally older men, if they've made it that far, it's quite a miracle that he's made it that far, that they want to give back.

And you start asking deeper questions, moral questions, philosophical questions, and maybe you're looking at legacy things.

And that's probably one of the impetus for the political campaign.