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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
But we very rarely spend time on the opposite problem, which is how can you be hypoxemic without dyspnea?
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
How can you have low oxygen going to your brain and you not be like, hey, I need help?
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And I find that to be fascinating.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And I think fundamentally, it really emphasizes the idea that there are specific receptors in our heart and our lungs that tell us that we're short of breath.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And for me, I'm inclined to really study the absence of that to help make progress.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And I think it's almost impossible for me to foresee a scenario where somebody has an alveoli full of material that doesn't tickle those receptors and tell the patient, hey, there's something wrong.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And so I think not only is the exam...
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
an argument that the alveoli are not filled, the lack of a perception that there's a problem is really, really powerful.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And the reason I'm sharing all this now is because I think it might influence what I would do in the moment with regards to the BiPAP.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And so if we take Proff-Rez's hypothesis further and say, hey, you know, I'm really suspicious of a vascular cause here.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And the reason I'm suspicious of it just for completeness sake is the patient's not feeling the shortness of breath, so the alveoli are unlikely to be tickled.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
Their lung exam is completely unremarkable.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And so you ask yourself, are you dealing with the vessels that are perfusing the lungs, namely the pulmonary capillaries or the pulmonary artery, or are you dealing with something wrong with the heart itself and that there might be a right to left shunt?
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And it's premature to start to speculate on this because it's not an actionable hypothesis in most instances.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
But let's remember that BiPAP isn't harmless.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And whenever you're choosing to install positive pressure into the chest, you worsen conditions that are pressure dependent.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
So if somebody has a pneumothorax and that's why they're hypoxemic, you want to be careful about putting on BiPAP.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
That thankfully isn't the case with the normal symmetric breath sounds.
The Clinical Problem Solvers
Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
But if somebody has a right-sided condition that is pressure-dependent, you want to be very careful about BiPAP.
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Episode 458 โ A Case & The Book โ Rabih and Reza discuss with Dr. Daniel Kelmenson, a patient with severe hypoxemia
And the most common pressure-dependent condition on the right side is pulmonary hypertension, which is not a consideration we have evidence for here.