Ric Elias

It lets me jump back to our list, 39 to 57, on leadership.

And I was thinking about this as you were talking about Sully and how to characterize him.

And he seems like an incredibly quiet, humble professional.

I don't know if he would call himself a leader.

I don't know what that means.

Lots of good sounding definitions about it.

But rather than ask you to define it or versions of it that you've seen, I'm actually more curious in how you think it's changed for you in that 18 year period.

It changes a lot.

I'm surprised at how many things I was convicted of that I've changed my mind on.

Part of it may be chemical.

Part of it may be experience.

Part of it, as you realize at the end of the day, what is it that matters and all that?

I think leadership, first of all, title is not leadership.

Role is not leadership.

Other people decide if you're a leader or not.

It's not something that you have.

It's something you earn.

And I think that's something that you got to take really, really seriously.

Personal.

Now, that doesn't mean that good leaders are not liked.